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post #91 of 177
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

As I implied before, when you take a lossless signal and make it losey through the use of the volume control your optical output is dealing with that differently than your usb connection. Jriver has the ability to use more digital volume attenuation than foobar before changing a lossless signal to losey. At minus 20db you have likely done just that with foobar. The difference is just more obvious to you over optical. Try your experiment with both set at 0db and see if you get the same results.

 

I am assuming you are using wasapi event with both programs? If not, and you are using basic wasapi then you are also going through the Windows mixer or perhaps you have that set correctly on one program and not the other?

yes i'm using wasapi event on both. K i tried 0 db on both,  both program sound the same now. 

post #92 of 177

Might be a matter the way volume control is implemented.

In case of Toslink it is probably the internal volume control of JRiver/Foobar.

In case of USB both probably use the volume control of the USB audio device, hence sound the same.

 

BTW: in JRiver you can click on speaker icon left of the slider and choose between Internal, Application, System or Disable

post #93 of 177

What's the effect of choosing one over the other (Internal, Application, System or Disable). I think I understand disable. 

post #94 of 177
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What's the effect of choosing one over the other (Internal, Application, System or Disable). I think I understand disable. 

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume

post #95 of 177

Grazie.

post #96 of 177
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

I like the Jriver due it's great support and convenience. Unfortunately I don't have golden ears to pick up apart any differences in sound quality between foobar and JRiver so both are good players, just one is more customizable and takes bit of time, one is pretty much configured properly for you. Though the usability part of foobar is inferior to Jriver to great levels. 


I beg to differ, jriver has the worst support you can ever wish for. In fact that is not entirely true jriver has no support as in zero, zilch, nada, no, none. For anyone considering it, I wouldnt recommend that software. The software itself is great but trust me when you need support, you need support especially for that software; if it aint there the software is worth nothing to you then.


Edited by thedon1989 - 6/28/14 at 12:49pm
post #97 of 177
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I beg to differ, jriver has the worst support you can ever wish for. In fact that is not entirely true jriver has no support as in zero, zilch, nada, no, none. For anyone considering it, I wouldnt recommend that software. The software itself is great but trust me when you need support, you need support especially for that software; if it aint there the software is worth nothing to you then.

I would be curious to know more about your support problem with Jriver. They have a very active forum and one of the designers often answers posts directly. A search of their forum will usually turn up information on any subject problem. If you post your issue here you will probably get help. 

post #98 of 177

If one defines support as contacting a company directly, JRiver has no support.

If it is about getting your issues solved, the forum is very responsive.

Beside JRiver staff there are a lot of very knowledgeable users out there.

post #99 of 177

I've never needed anything that the forum didn't have.  I've asked a handful of questions there, and other users have answered them.  Had they not, I'm confident that Jim or one of the developers would have stepped in to help out.  They've done it for lots of folks in the past.

post #100 of 177
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Originally Posted by thedon1989 View Post
 


I beg to differ, jriver has the worst support you can ever wish for. In fact that is not entirely true jriver has no support as in zero, zilch, nada, no, none. For anyone considering it, I wouldnt recommend that software. The software itself is great but trust me when you need support, you need support especially for that software; if it aint there the software is worth nothing to you then.

Not their support/business model.  You are getting a function rich product at a very attractive price.  A direct support model would likely double the initial license cost along with having an ongoing maintenance/support charge.  Some companies with the direct support model get around the ongoing charge by charging for each dot release.  I as well as many of the other customers of jriver would rather pay half and occasionally access the forums should I have an issue.   I would access the forums regardless of a support need just to learn more about the product. 

post #101 of 177
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

In theory ASIO, KS and WASAPI  event are the same. They are all going to output bit perfect data and bypass the Windows mixer. In reality there could be a difference on specific hardware in the way it reacts to the driver. Kernal Streaming is the most difficult to get right since Windows was never designed for that but in theory if they all work on your computer they should all sound the same. I can hear slight differences between these on my system but it is so slight it might be placebo.

Finally, I was not aware that JRiver folks were claiming any sonic benefit to their version 19 over 18 or 17. There are feature benefits but I would like to see a reference to where they say there are sonic benefits?
I hear little diff between ASIO & WASAPI. But KS does not work for me. Using CAPS Topanga. Big fan of Jriver.
post #102 of 177
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Finally, I was not aware that JRiver folks were claiming any sonic benefit to their version 19 over 18 or 17

They never do.

In fact the owner (Jim Hillegass) detests audiophile talk

post #103 of 177
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I would be curious to know more about your support problem with Jriver. They have a very active forum and one of the designers often answers posts directly. A search of their forum will usually turn up information on any subject problem. If you post your issue here you will probably get help. 


Well I have emails crash dump logs to an email address given by one of the lads and havent heard anything for a week now I think. On the forum I have been given pointers by one of the lads which I appreciate and have been going through them. But the process is too much of trial and error stuff. I am luck I know a thing or two about IT but I have no doubt if someone who is just a regular pc user gets the kind of crashes I have been having, that will be jriver out of the window altogether because they will have no clue what to do- that I have no doubt. You reference to "active forum and one of the designers often answers posts directly.." mad me laugh, very misleading but well tried.

post #104 of 177
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Originally Posted by Buddhahacker View Post
 

Not their support/business model.  You are getting a function rich product at a very attractive price.  A direct support model would likely double the initial license cost along with having an ongoing maintenance/support charge.  Some companies with the direct support model get around the ongoing charge by charging for each dot release.  I as well as many of the other customers of jriver would rather pay half and occasionally access the forums should I have an issue.   I would access the forums regardless of a support need just to learn more about the product. 

 

I have no doubt jriver is a fantastic program, feature rich and when it works well its fantastic. But for regular folks when it doesnt work you need support. As a customer I would be happy to pay the going rate for a program that works well and is well supported. So I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. I have no doubt the things I have been doing to sort out the problem in my case, not many regular folks will be able to do. I am nearly there with sorting out the problem but it wasnt due help from the forum I am afraid. But thats not because people on the forum havent tried to help I have to say that. Most of the suggestions have been far off the mark. But I do agree with you on one thing you do learn a thing or two by visiting the forum; one of the lads pointed me in the direction of a computer torture test - a very useful tool for new computer builds.

post #105 of 177
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Originally Posted by thedon1989 View Post

 You reference to "active forum and one of the designers often answers posts directly.." mad me laugh, very misleading but well tried.

 

I just went over to interact.  The latest four posts are all from today, and they're all from Jim Hillegass or Matt Ashland (lead designer).  I would call that active, and with good participation.  It is unfortunate that your issue has not been addressed, and I'm sure that, like all companies, JRiver could improve their customer service, but most people who use the program wouldn't consider themselves to be technically astute.  Technically astute folks, who are often younger and less willing to spend money on software, opt for Foobar2000.  

 

Perhaps there is a market for a piece of playback software with the level of support you're describing.  You say you would be willing to pay for it -- how much would it cost, in your view?

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