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post #4831 of 10702
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

 

We've been here before Mac and you know my stance on the matter ;). To me the extra "resolution" and "detail" of the 009 is not an improvement, I just find it to be brighter and less warm in the mid-bass region. To my ears the 009 is tuned more to the modern reference ideal, a sort of HD 800-ish signature which goes -1 on the warmth chart and +1 on the treble chart in order to wow you with greater "detail" and "air". Mind you, I do still enjoy the 009 with especially well-recorded music (far more than the mentioned HD 800) but the 007 connects me to the music in a way no other headphone has ever done. We obviously have different preferences and while the majority seems to prefer the 009 I also know there are those around here who agree with me. 

 

A friend of mine is preparing a no-holds-barred KGSSHV that will hopefully be complete by the end of the summer. I will run both the 007 and the 009 out of it and see whether or not the game stats have changed. 

 

The SR-007s are warm, no doubt...that is a colouration. Yes, the SR-009s are brighter, but not bright per say (especially depending on your amp/DAC/source; not just the amp!...which many forget to include). I'd suggest you review both FR response graphs on innerfidelity.com...might help sort things out for you a bit. If the warmer colouration (with less detail and air) of the SR-007 gets you going, then great. But as stated, my position owning both with 2 amps that drive them very well and a DAC that I am exceedingly happy with (and I've heard the SR-007 Mk1 from a DIY T2/PWD2 rig), there is no doubt in my mind which are the superior headphone. As I mentioned, I love the SR-007s and put them in my top 5 headphones of all time...just not #1. ;) 


Edited by MacedonianHero - 3/23/15 at 7:23am
post #4832 of 10702

Old round drivers (SR-5, SR-X, SR-Gamma) all share the same kind of sound. Lots of mids, small soundstage, and some variations on extension and details. Fun all the way, especially the oldest ones, but Pro ones are the best IMO (I love my Gamma Pro).

Lambda series are more airy / diffuse, with more details and sometimes more bass slam. They sound more like the idea of "ethereal electrostatic sound" one may have.

 

For me, SR-009 are the sum of all the advantages of Lambda / old SR-xx series as they share the family sound, but they go further in every way (details, extension, bass slam, soundstage). On the other hand, SR-007 have a very unique sound : kinda laid back and tinted (sound seems to come from a kind of distance), plenty of bass but needing an ironfist control, relaxing but very detailled, and maybe the best soundstage / layering if you consider this particular distance to the sound as a part of it.

 

Sigma are completely different because of their very bumpy FR, but they are more alive than SR-007 with low-end amplification (Lambda drivers BTW).
 

2 cents / YMMV.


Ali

post #4833 of 10702
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post

Its dynamics, its precision in terms of instrument layering / placement in both width and depth, its virtual lack of any obvious coloration, its clean transients / chameleon like characteristics make the 009 far ahead from the O2mk1 in my rig. The only time I reach for the O2 is when the recording calls for it. It almost never happens nowadays with my source.

Of course ranking is likely to evolve once the bhse gets here (any day apparently), but given the traights of the O2, it's hard to imagine it would come up ahead of the 009. I expect the 007 to scale much more than the 009 with the bhse but not a total transformation in all the intrinsic phone characteristics.


Arnaud

Explains it all for me as well. Further, it would seem with either a BHSE/T2 the 009 is superior to the mk 1, which I think will make us both very happy.

post #4834 of 10702
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

 

The SR-007s are warm, no doubt...that is a colouration. Yes, the SR-009s are brighter, but not bright per say (especially depending on your amp/DAC/source; not just the amp!...which many forget to include). I'd suggest you review both FR response graphs on innerfidelity.com...might help sort things out for you a bit. If the warmer colouration (with less detail and air) of the SR-007 gets you going, then great. But as stated, my position owning both with 2 amps that drive them very well and a DAC that I am exceedingly happy with (and I've heard the SR-007 Mk1 from a DIY T2/PWD2 rig), there is no doubt in my mind which are the superior headphone. As I mentioned, I love the SR-007s and put them in my top 5 headphones of all time...just not #1. ;) 

 

You speak almost as if your word is law and you have a stone table to prove it :)


Comparing measurement data rarely tells the whole story in my experience, that I included them earlier was really just to give a visual representation of the difference between the 007s.

 

It is true though that the 009 indeed has a slight upper hand on paper. They appear much more similar to me though on paper than they are in practice. And Innerfidelity doesn't have data of the earlier mk1s (which I like the most), so it's kind of irrelevant I think. 

 

Anyway, the 009 may very well be the slightly more technically accurate driver. I don't put much thought into that though. The SR-007 are warmer, yes. A little darker, yes. But to me they are more natural sounding than the SR-009. I simply like the warmer, more old-school sound I guess and find that it is not only more pleasing to listen to, but more realistic as well. I do NOT however find the SR-007 any less detailed. It's just that it's more subdued treble and upper midrange make it appear so. Neither do I find the 007 to be an immediately colored sounding headphone. 

 

As I said, I'm not the only one who prefers the 007 to the 009. Just deal with it my man :cool: 

post #4835 of 10702

But if you want to hear the aggressive tone of a Saxophone solo or Cello string, its almost impossible with my 007 mk2.

Older omegas might sound better but after some serious hearing competitions the 009 is the one for me.

 

I was hoping that there will be a increase of accuracy with a KGSS or a BHSE.

And it is, but the 009 is still way beyond the 007 to my ears.

 

I liked the 007 very much for many years and it was fine for easy listening. Maybe i try a mod-thing, otherwise i will have sell it.

I dont want him to end in bitter fate like my SR-404 Earspeakers in a box in the attic.;) 

post #4836 of 10702
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

 

You speak almost as if your word is law and you have a stone table to prove it :)


Comparing measurement data rarely tells the whole story in my experience, that I included them earlier was really just to give a visual representation of the difference between the 007s.

 

It is true though that the 009 indeed has a slight upper hand on paper. They appear much more similar to me though on paper than they are in practice. And Innerfidelity doesn't have data of the earlier mk1s (which I like the most), so it's kind of irrelevant I think. 

 

Anyway, the 009 may very well be the slightly more technically accurate driver. I don't put much thought into that though. The SR-007 are warmer, yes. A little darker, yes. But to me they are more natural sounding than the SR-009. I simply like the warmer, more old-school sound I guess and find that it is not only more pleasing to listen to, but more realistic as well. I do NOT however find the SR-007 any less detailed. It's just that it's more subdued treble and upper midrange make it appear so. Neither do I find the 007 to be an immediately colored sounding headphone. 

 

As I said, I'm not the only one who prefers the 007 to the 009. Just deal with it my man :cool: 

 

I have absolutely no issues with anyone preferring anything over anything here ;)...this is all personal preferences in the end too. But my point of view is from someone who owns both now and has for 2+ years gone back and forth hundreds of times (and as recently as last night) on amps that are more that up to the task to drive both and with a source to match. I was sharing my point of view...isn't that what we do around here?

 

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Originally Posted by karlgerman View Post
 

But if you want to hear the aggressive tone of a Saxophone solo or Cello string, its almost impossible with my 007 mk2.

Older omegas might sound better but after some serious hearing competitions the 009 is the one for me.

 

I was hoping that there will be a increase of accuracy with a KGSS or a BHSE.

And it is, but the 009 is still way beyond the 007 to my ears.

 

I liked the 007 very much for many years and it was fine for easy listening....

 

Pretty much somes up my experiences.

post #4837 of 10702
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I have absolutely no issues with anyone preferring anything over anything here wink.gif ...this is all personal preferences in the end too. But my point of view is from someone who owns both now and has for 2+ years gone back and forth hundreds of times (and as recently as last night) on amps that are more that up to the task to drive both and with a source to match. I was sharing my point of view...isn't that what we do around here?

Great! smily_headphones1.gif

I'm actually considering a KGSSHV myself, just waiting to start working so the $$$ fill up. I have a 009 on loan and it would sure be nice to spend some time with the combo.
post #4838 of 10702

Thanks, LAN for posting that info about the porting.  I think I see what happened there.  Stax got some complaints about the Stax "fart" in the O2s and stupidly put a port in.

 

Didn't know that, but always thought the bass on my SZ1s was phenomenal, and glad I bought in when I did!

post #4839 of 10702
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Originally Posted by Downrange View Post
 

Stax got some complaints about the Stax "fart" in the O2s and stupidly put a port in.

 

Didn't know that, but always thought the bass on my SZ1s was phenomenal, and glad I bought in when I did!

SR-009 do fart too, but less than SR-007 SZ1 (I own both)

Maybe because they have less clamping. Don't know if there's a port on them.


Ali

post #4840 of 10702

A lot of "romantic" SR007 love in some of the last few posts. That's fine and yeah they are great headphones and very pleasant. I enjoyed them a lot. I have no doubt though that the SR009s are imo the more transparent transducers and allow a deeper insight into the music. The clarity, detail and articulation are at a whole other level and a benchmark. Neither of them is perfect, but which transducers really are.


Edited by negura - 3/23/15 at 2:07pm
post #4841 of 10702

Music, romance, what's not to like?  Personally, I've never heard the 009s and would love to hear them on my systems.  But not enough to buy them.  All's I know is the 007s are miles better than anything else I have for a comparison, and I'm keeping them.

post #4842 of 10702
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Originally Posted by karlgerman View Post
 

But if you want to hear the aggressive tone of a Saxophone solo or Cello string, its almost impossible with my 007 mk2.

 

So then, what is the most aggressive Stax earspeakers? 507?

post #4843 of 10702

The HE60 does the aggresive tone of some instruments well, I recall. It has a really good tone for classical, better than the 507. (from memory)

 

Edit: but maybe I shouldn't say that to you, Earspeakers, because then you'd have to buy it like every other Stax out there! ;)


Edited by Michgelsen - 3/23/15 at 4:33pm
post #4844 of 10702
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Originally Posted by Michgelsen View Post
 

The HE60 does the aggresive tone of some instruments well, I recall. It has a really good tone for classical, better than the 507. (from memory)

 

Edit: but maybe I shouldn't say that to you, Earspeakers, because then you'd have to buy it like every other Stax out there! ;)


Sennheiser? No that's safe from my predations ...

post #4845 of 10702
507 vs 407? about $200 price difference between the two. have read that the 507 sound signature is more similar to the sr009 (as compared to the sr007)...been thinking about picking up a pair. would appreciate some thoughts from those who've heard both. thanks.
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