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post #2656 of 2802

6 pin plugs have 2 bias wires, one for each side.

post #2657 of 2802

 

Is there anyone here who knows Russian and would be so kind to translate what he says in this video? :p

 

I've used google translate and read the article that's in the youtube video's description, but I'm curious what he says in video. 

post #2658 of 2802
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post
 

6 pin plugs have 2 bias wires, one for each side.


OK, thank you. 

 

Do you agree with the earlier statements that there is no concern about using the cables with Normal bias plug from the WEE?

post #2659 of 2802
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Originally Posted by jackskelly View Post
 

Is there anyone here who knows Russian and would be so kind to translate what he says in this video? :p

I'll give it a shot. I've never done running translation like this before, so it might be a bit rough. Bear with me. ;) I'll record times from the video in case you want to watch and read along.

 

"Testing Stax [headphones]. Here is the classic model [points at 307s], the previous flagship, model 007, and the new flagship, model 009. The source is [a brand or model I can't make out], and we have two amplifiers, one solid state and one vacuum tube [he doesn't say what models]. We obviously prefer tubes. But let me try to figure this out: [0:52] what distinguishes the three headphone models: 009, 007, and 307? Everyone knows these [points at 307s], they're Stax classics, but does the new flagship sound 10 times better than the classic model? Because it certainly costs 10 times more. [1:23] Technologically, everything is the same: electrostatic transducers, except these are rectangular [holds up 307s], and these are round [points at 009s]. [shrugs, puts on 307s] Classic Stax sound, incredibly transparent, wide ["large scale"], beautiful, everything is great. Now the 007s [puts them on, 1:41]. [1:53] A bit more detail, there's a certain elegance in the presentation... [1:59] 009s. And here is also space [spreads his arms wide at 2:07], and breath... [2:17] Well guys, if you don't have money for monitors from [some brand I can't make out] or speakers from [another brand; I either have don't know these speaker companies or don't recognize their Russified names], then... you just have to spend the same amount of money on headphones! [fade out and in] It should be obvious that the sound you've been hearing in the video clip has nothing to do with the sound I heard from these headphones. I had to substitute a fake for the video, because I couldn't have recorded from inside my ears... could I?"

 

One of the comments on the video points out that the guy in the video seems to have worn the 009s backwards. Which means they should have been uncomfortable and didn't seal properly.

 

The accompanying article only discusses the 007s. Very little new information here. The author basically loves them, and spends most of the text explaining how electrostatic transducers work, and notes a bit about their history. Notes that conventional headphones he used to love don't sound so great anymore, not after listening to Stax. He also talks about the measurements, noting that treble fall-off in the FR chart (NB: I didn't look for any other measurements of 007s to see if the graphs look reasonable), but says he doesn't really feel it. (Which surprises me: my brief time with 007s made me think they're rather dark, compared to 009s and SR-Omegas.)

post #2660 of 2802
Quote:
Originally Posted by gepardcv View Post
 

I'll give it a shot. I've never done running translation like this before, so it might be a bit rough. Bear with me. ;) I'll record times from the video in case you want to watch and read along.

 

"Testing Stax [headphones]. Here is the classic model [points at 307s], the previous flagship, model 007, and the new flagship, model 009. The source is [a brand or model I can't make out], and we have two amplifiers, one solid state and one vacuum tube [he doesn't say what models]. We obviously prefer tubes. But let me try to figure this out: [0:52] what distinguishes the three headphone models: 009, 007, and 307? Everyone knows these [points at 307s], they're Stax classics, but does the new flagship sound 10 times better than the classic model? Because it certainly costs 10 times more. [1:23] Technologically, everything is the same: electrostatic transducers, except these are rectangular [holds up 307s], and these are round [points at 009s]. [shrugs, puts on 307s] Classic Stax sound, incredibly transparent, wide ["large scale"], beautiful, everything is great. Now the 007s [puts them on, 1:41]. [1:53] A bit more detail, there's a certain elegance in the presentation... [1:59] 009s. And here is also space [spreads his arms wide at 2:07], and breath... [2:17] Well guys, if you don't have money for monitors from [some brand I can't make out] or speakers from [another brand; I either have don't know these speaker companies or don't recognize their Russified names], then... you just have to spend the same amount of money on headphones! [fade out and in] It should be obvious that the sound you've been hearing in the video clip has nothing to do with the sound I heard from these headphones. I had to substitute a fake for the video, because I couldn't have recorded from inside my ears... could I?"

 

One of the comments on the video points out that the guy in the video seems to have worn the 009s backwards. Which means they should have been uncomfortable and didn't seal properly.

 

The accompanying article only discusses the 007s. Very little new information here. The author basically loves them, and spends most of the text explaining how electrostatic transducers work, and notes a bit about their history. Notes that conventional headphones he used to love don't sound so great anymore, not after listening to Stax. He also talks about the measurements, noting that treble fall-off in the FR chart (NB: I didn't look for any other measurements of 007s to see if the graphs look reasonable), but says he doesn't really feel it. (Which surprises me: my brief time with 007s made me think they're rather dark, compared to 009s and SR-Omegas.)

 

Thank you gepardcv, that's more than a great enough effort. It appears that he likes STAX headphones in general. :o

post #2661 of 2802
Quote:
Originally Posted by gepardcv View Post
 

I'll give it a shot. I've never done running translation like this before, so it might be a bit rough. Bear with me. ;) I'll record times from the video in case you want to watch and read along.

 

Wow, what a fantastic job of translation!  Impressive.

post #2662 of 2802
Quote:
Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post
 


OK, thank you. 

 

Do you agree with the earlier statements that there is no concern about using the cables with Normal bias plug from the WEE?

 

will be fine other than the mismatch between real stax jacks and the amphenol parts

post #2663 of 2802
Quote:
Originally Posted by gepardcv View Post
 

I'll give it a shot. I've never done running translation like this before, so it might be a bit rough. Bear with me. ;) I'll record times from the video in case you want to watch and read along.

 

"Testing Stax [headphones]. Here is the classic model [points at 307s], the previous flagship, model 007, and the new flagship, model 009. The source is [a brand or model I can't make out], and we have two amplifiers, one solid state and one vacuum tube [he doesn't say what models]. We obviously prefer tubes. But let me try to figure this out: [0:52] what distinguishes the three headphone models: 009, 007, and 307? Everyone knows these [points at 307s], they're Stax classics, but does the new flagship sound 10 times better than the classic model? Because it certainly costs 10 times more. [1:23] Technologically, everything is the same: electrostatic transducers, except these are rectangular [holds up 307s], and these are round [points at 009s]. [shrugs, puts on 307s] Classic Stax sound, incredibly transparent, wide ["large scale"], beautiful, everything is great. Now the 007s [puts them on, 1:41]. [1:53] A bit more detail, there's a certain elegance in the presentation... [1:59] 009s. And here is also space [spreads his arms wide at 2:07], and breath... [2:17] Well guys, if you don't have money for monitors from [some brand I can't make out] or speakers from [another brand; I either have don't know these speaker companies or don't recognize their Russified names], then... you just have to spend the same amount of money on headphones! [fade out and in] It should be obvious that the sound you've been hearing in the video clip has nothing to do with the sound I heard from these headphones. I had to substitute a fake for the video, because I couldn't have recorded from inside my ears... could I?"

 

One of the comments on the video points out that the guy in the video seems to have worn the 009s backwards. Which means they should have been uncomfortable and didn't seal properly.

 

The accompanying article only discusses the 007s. Very little new information here. The author basically loves them, and spends most of the text explaining how electrostatic transducers work, and notes a bit about their history. Notes that conventional headphones he used to love don't sound so great anymore, not after listening to Stax. He also talks about the measurements, noting that treble fall-off in the FR chart (NB: I didn't look for any other measurements of 007s to see if the graphs look reasonable), but says he doesn't really feel it. (Which surprises me: my brief time with 007s made me think they're rather dark, compared to 009s and SR-Omegas.)


The source is a Wadia. Unfortunately the measurements in that article are utter crap; it's not just that they contradict all of the other 009 measurements, which they do, it's that they didn't even bother to use the proper settings. See the weird smoothing on the frequency response and the accompanying poor capture of the impulse response.

post #2664 of 2802

After briefly hearing the o2mk2, I would say it is the best headphone I've heard that is not AKG :popcorn:

post #2665 of 2802

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum so please don't kill me if I'm asking stupid questions. There is huge amount of information in here and it's pretty hard to go through all of it, though, I'm trying. So anyway I've bought STAX lambda Signature with SRM-T1 energiser. I also bought Stax lambda pros but that's another story ;). Are there any mod's that improve sound and can be easily done? Also, I was also trying to search through head-fi.org in order to find out what DAC to buy. As of now I'm connecting SRM-T1 into laptop's headphone jack. Will I hear a lot of improvement with dedicated DAC? If so, what's recommended DAC for it? I could't find anything in the forums.

Thx guys for any help.

 

side question:

Are these Stax really comparable to HD800 and similar dynamic headphones? This guys prefers them to HD800 for example:
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/stax/sr-lambda-pro.htm


Edited by timkk - 7/11/14 at 2:35pm
post #2666 of 2802

So what's wrong with the sound and why do you want to mod them?

 

Lets not discuss Mr Rockwell and his opinions, just say we are likely to get banned if we do!

 

The HD800's are undoubtedly great dynamic phones but they are very difficult to get right in terms of amplification and source, more so than Stax 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by timkk View Post
 

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum so please don't kill me if I'm asking stupid questions. There is huge amount of information in here and it's pretty hard to go through all of it, though, I'm trying. So anyway I've bought STAX lambda Signature with SRM-T1 energiser. I also bought Stax lambda pros but that's another story ;). Are there any mod's that improve sound and can be easily done? Also, I was also trying to search through head-fi.org in order to find out what DAC to buy. As of now I'm connecting SRM-T1 into laptop's headphone jack. Will I hear a lot of improvement with dedicated DAC? If so, what's recommended DAC for it? I could't find anything in the forums.

Thx guys for any help.

 

side question:

Are these Stax really comparable to HD800 and similar dynamic headphones? This guys prefers them to HD800 for example:
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/stax/sr-lambda-pro.htm

post #2667 of 2802
Hehe, is he really that controversial? He seems to have a ton of high end equipment on his hands and looks to be doing alright in life as well ;)... Anyway, nothing wrong really, just thought they could be improved easily ;). So I guess the most important question is about DAC vs laptop's headphone jack. Is it worth buying proper DAC? If so, what's recommended?
post #2668 of 2802

Depends what type of sound you are looking for from your DAC

They range from dull and laid back to bright, dry and analytical and several flavors in between :eek: Whats your poison?

post #2669 of 2802
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Originally Posted by complin View Post
 

Depends what type of sound you are looking for from your DAC

They range from dull and laid back to bright, dry and analytical and several flavors in between :eek: Whats your poison?

I bought SRM-T1 to help with stax's slight brightness (at least that's what was written in some of the reviews). I prefer a little warm side of things. 

post #2670 of 2802

I can't believe I'm defending Ken Rockwell, but the guy has a lot of great info and opinions out there, and only a handful of really wild stuff that's highly arguable. Lots of pros disagree with some of what he says, but overall, I'd say he hits more often than he misses. If you write off everything he says, you're missing out on a lot of good stuff. But like any opinion you read, you shouldn't take it as 100% gospel.

 

I disagree with "pro" reviewers all the time. I still can't hear any noticeable difference between different DACs, amps, or cables unless a DAC is actually passing audible noise through, an amp is underpowered for the load, or a cable is cut in half. People claiming to hear huge differences make me think one of us is nuts, and I hope it's not me, but I really don't know. (I assume it's me. At least I can save a ton of money.)

 

Those are pretty big disagreements, but I still read and consider as many informed opinions as I can find when making a buying decision. You're doing yourself a disservice if you rule someone out completely because you disagree with a few of their opinions.

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