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post #2506 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post

Would it be complete sacrilege to get the 009 but "only" the SRM-252S amp?

I prefer solid-state to tubes, so that rules out most compatible higher-end amps. The 323S is probably what I'd otherwise get, but its depth won't physically fit well into my setup.

I'm sure there are differences, but are they likely to be audible to an audiophile-voodoo skeptic? Would the difference be likely to pass a proper ABX test, regardless of what you think of the value of ABX tests?

I have compared the 323 to kgsshv with sr009. It is definitely audible to novice. Never tried 252s but if you think 323s is probably better, then yes you would hear a difference. I used the kgsshv as example as it is solid state tube. Sr009 is arguably the best headphone out there. However it is easier to get a decent sound out of it than the sr007, IMO, but it scales as well. Personal opinion as to whether or not this means you can cheat on the amp. I would look at kgss or kgsshv if i were you. I think there is a compact build of the kgsshv someone is making.
post #2507 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post
 

Would it be complete sacrilege to get the 009 but "only" the SRM-252S amp?

009 are far less amp-picky than theirs younger siblings (007, Omega 1).

I sometimes run them through SRD-7/SBmk2 (hooked on a cheap Yamaha amp from the 90's) or through an SRM-1/mk2...though I bet the answer is "no", since you obviously won't have the SQ you would have gotten from a BHSE :p

 

Ali

post #2508 of 3325

Thanks. Maybe I'll start with the 252S since it's small and (relatively) inexpensive, then leave a BHSE or KGSSHV as a potential future upgrade.

 

Are there any other reasonably small solid-state electrostatic amps on the market today?

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The headroom with stat amps and stats is generally smaller than what is recommended for dynamics/orthos. The recommended 1 W through HE-500 yields 119 dB, whereas some 300-400 volts as many e-stat amps push through your typical lambda only yields some 105-7 dB give or take.
Edited by davidsh - 6/8/14 at 1:56pm
post #2510 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post
 

Thanks. Maybe I'll start with the 252S since it's small and (relatively) inexpensive, then leave a BHSE or KGSSHV as a potential future upgrade.

 

Are there any other reasonably small solid-state electrostatic amps on the market today?

323s minimum for the sr009

post #2511 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post

Thanks. Maybe I'll start with the 252S since it's small and (relatively) inexpensive, then leave a BHSE or KGSSHV as a potential future upgrade.

Are there any other reasonably small solid-state electrostatic amps on the market today?

There was that kgsshv in small box. Can't link to that other website but search for small kgsshv and look for what spritzer built.

Also, headinclouds built one too. Go to post #400 on link below. I think it was 10.3 inches by 9.5 inches by 7inches or so.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/582131/is-anyone-building-the-kgsshv/390

(Edited to include forgotten link)
Edited by Crashem - 6/8/14 at 3:53pm
post #2512 of 3325
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Originally Posted by Chefguru View Post
 

323s minimum for the sr009

 

Is this a fact — the 009 will not work properly or will not receive enough power from the 232S — or an opinion that the 323S is the minimum to drive it to proper quality? (If the latter, why?)

 

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Originally Posted by Crashem View Post


There was that kgsshv in small box. Can't link to that other website but search for small kgsshv and look for what spritzer built.

Also, headinclouds built one too. Go to post #400 on link below. I think it was 10.3 inches by 9.5 inches by 7inches or so.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/582131/is-anyone-building-the-kgsshv/390

(Edited to include forgotten link)

 

I'm not interested in DIY — I don't really have the time, and I definitely don't have the skill. Do I understand correctly that it's pretty rare to find people building KGSSHVs for others and selling them? (That compact-silver-cube one does look awesome, but there's probably no way for me to just buy one like that, is there?)

post #2513 of 3325

As I said earlier, I have an SR009 with a stock 007t/ii with NOS RCA cleartop 6fq7 tubes that I installed myself and it is very good, so good that I don't have the upgrade bug for a new amp.

It's cheap, available, has a small profile, and if you don't like it, pretty easy to sell and move on with limited dollar loss.

I've got a Pinnacle amp with flagship phones, and the Stax setup is sort of top of the heap, with amazing insight, tonalilty, and most important, non-fatiguing upper mids and highs.

The bass is rock solid and beautifully transparent, if not as deep as Audezes, say, but it's so high quality I don't miss it.

I'm sure a BHSE is better, but the sound I'm getting is so right I'm leaving well enough alone.

Those RCA tubes make a big difference. 

I had a long talk with Stax USA and they recommended this approach.

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My hesitation with tubes:

 

- I prefer precision and crispness over warmth. (One of the big reasons I'm interested in the 009.)

- I hate noise.

- From what I understand, the 009 is significantly more sensitive than most other Stax models, so I assume I'm more likely to hear the tubes' baseline noise.

- The tubes' baseline noise may be higher than you expect because the amp will be near a computer and monitor.

- I don't enjoy tube-rolling to find the best combo, and I don't want the hassle of replacements over time.

 

Seems like I'm the textbook case for solid-state amplification, right?

post #2515 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post

Is this a fact — the 009 will not work properly or will not receive enough power from the 232S — or an opinion that the 323S is the minimum to drive it to proper quality? (If the latter, why?)


I'm not interested in DIY — I don't really have the time, and I definitely don't have the skill. Do I understand correctly that it's pretty rare to find people building KGSSHVs for others and selling them? (That compact-silver-cube one does look awesome, but there's probably no way for me to just buy one like that, is there?)

I believe headintheclouds is indeed building those small cube KGSSHV with the intent to sell. I don't remember the exact price, but I know it wasn't cheap.

You might also want to check the FS forums here and on the other site. If you can find an amp by spritzer you should seriously consider it, even if it's not a KGSSHV. I have one of his "experimental" amps, and I absolutely love it.
post #2516 of 3325

Soup has a KGSSHV For Sale and a pair of 009's as well. 

post #2517 of 3325
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

Soup has a KGSSHV For Sale and a pair of 009's as well. 

Dude,

you finally got the 009? I AM ENVIOUS:tongue_smile: 

post #2518 of 3325
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Originally Posted by marcoarment View Post

Is this a fact — the 009 will not work properly or will not receive enough power from the 232S — or an opinion that the 323S is the minimum to drive it to proper quality? (If the latter, why?)


I'm not interested in DIY — I don't really have the time, and I definitely don't have the skill. Do I understand correctly that it's pretty rare to find people building KGSSHVs for others and selling them? (That compact-silver-cube one does look awesome, but there's probably no way for me to just buy one like that, is there?)

He builds them for others not to make money per say but to pay his expenses and find his hobbies. So you don't need to build it yourself. For example, spritzer built my kgsshv. Mao reach out to headinclouds and see what the cost looks like.
post #2519 of 3325

Why?

It works just fine with the 009?

You should also consider a previous generation energiser like 212, SRM-1/Mk-2 or SRM-313 if is solid state. The SRM-T1 is also a good bet if you prefer a tube amp.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stax_products

The differences aren't night and day, so bang for the buck is pretty good. Will also give you time to decide if and what you want to upgrade to.

 

Most important thing is a good source with the 009 (or any Stax) so this is where you should be focussing any spare funds you have, this will make by far the biggest difference to the overall result. 

 

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Originally Posted by Chefguru View Post
 

323s minimum for the sr009


Edited by complin - 6/9/14 at 4:59am
post #2520 of 3325
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

Dude,

you finally got the 009? I AM ENVIOUS:tongue_smile: 

 
 

Yea dude! I think I'm done. Well, er, that is, after the KGST. Haha.

 

But I am excited about the 009, they really left an impression on me when Daly sent them down.


Edited by paradoxper - 6/9/14 at 6:40am
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