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Yeah, it's fine with people and their 30+ yr old Stax stuff that works well etc., but my impression is that significant risk is involved with owning an electrostat and Stax doesn't exactly have great costumer service. It's a shame. My LS has almost been reduced to junk due to noise and channel imbalance and there isn't much I can do about it. It didn't have problems for half a year when I bought it.

The other Stax stuff I have hasn't given me any problems yet.

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RE: Frank Cooter / SR-007 SZ3

 

I had a pair of those, sold them and got Mk I's.  I like the Mk I's better, but there is something to be said for the SZ3's.  I think the SZ3's sounded really nice on orchestral & chamber music- i.e., acoustic concert-hall type music. CLASSICAL music is the term used by some but that actually denotes a specific style / time period in European orchestral music, and I am not a big fan of the 19th century  warhorses.Early music, yes; baroque sure, 20th century - yep.  OK Beethoven and Mozart are great, but Brahms, Haydn, etc etc- no thanks.

 

Anyway the midbass "lift" of the SR-007 SZ3's along with a little extra sparkle on top usually makes a lot of orchestral stuff sound quite good, IMHO

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You hit the nail on the head with this one. I can also do baroque and 20th Century music, but the so-called romantic warhorses bore me to death. Compounding the problem, composers such as Berlioz, Bruckner, Dvorak, Mahler and Tchaikovsky seem to dominate the classical repertoire, both in live concerts and recordings. OTOH, while I can deal with Beethoven's chamber and piano output, Schubert and specially Mozart seem just too predictable. Instead, give me on one hand the likes of Stravinsky, Bartok, Prokofiev and Hindemith, while on the other, Bach, Handel and (Domenico) Scarlatti, among many others. Most works by these guys sound gloriously detailed on SACD recordings via the SR-009, even if somewhat handicapped by my far-from-perfect SRM-727II...

 

 

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[...]  CLASSICAL music is the term used by some but that actually denotes a specific style / time period in European orchestral music, and I am not a big fan of the 19th century  warhorses.Early music, yes; baroque sure, 20th century - yep.  OK Beethoven and Mozart are great, but Brahms, Haydn, etc etc- no thanks [...]


Edited by Arnaldo - 6/4/14 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by livewire View Post
 

 

DEW EET! ^^^

 

Wha? The Koss ESP950 lifetime warranty - no questions asked, doesn't inspire confidence?

 

On that note, Stax just sux. One just needs faith and a little luck.

Correct handling of electrostat equipment also goes a long way to ensure it's survival.

 

I own the SRS2170 and it's all broke now.

It did give me two years of exceptional sound quality for the price I paid. (~$500 new at the time)

It is unfortunate their stuff isn't built to a higher standard.

So the moral is: if your wanna play you gotta pay.

 

The Koss definitely makes me feel more comfortable taking the plunge into electrostatic headphones.  I've heard good things about their service.  I haven't tried them before, but from what I've heard, I don't mind going in blind.

 

Stax on the other hand makes me nervous from what I've heard.  I've briefly had the chance to listen to some Lambdas (don't remember which) and SR007s, and I liked them both.  I don't mind paying to try and get to know a new product, and if it doesn't work out, flipping it.  However, I really can't afford the risk of them failing so quickly at the moment.

 

 

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

Yeah, it's fine with people and their 30+ yr old Stax stuff that works well etc., but my impression is that significant risk is involved with owning an electrostat and Stax doesn't exactly have great costumer service. It's a shame. My LS has almost been reduced to junk due to noise and channel imbalance and there isn't much I can do about it. It didn't have problems for half a year when I bought it.

The other Stax stuff I have hasn't given me any problems yet.

 

Hmmm...as much I'd like to, I might have to pass on Stax right now.  The Koss with the warranty seems to be the better option for me at the moment.

 

Thanks for the replys.

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Analog, I would think buying from a authorized reseller with a warranty like Headamp, Woo, or Elusive Disc would put your mind at ease.  The Koss are great but it's not uncommon for them to have squeal issues right out of the box.  The Lifetime warranty IS very nice especially in this case.

 

There's a lot of REALLY old Stax gear that is still working well; you'd be surprised.  The problem I think is neglgent previous owners or misinformed previous owners.  It sounds like you are more cautious than adventurous however.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post
 

Analog, I would think buying from a authorized reseller with a warranty like Headamp, Woo, or Elusive Disc would put your mind at ease.  The Koss are great but it's not uncommon for them to have squeal issues right out of the box.  The Lifetime warranty IS very nice especially in this case.

 

There's a lot of REALLY old Stax gear that is still working well; you'd be surprised.  The problem I think is neglgent previous owners or misinformed previous owners.  It sounds like you are more cautious than adventurous however.

My Lambda Pro continues to work like charm and its over 20 year old as well.  1987 was the mfg.date to be exact.

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Thanks for the reply. I've actually been looking into the authorized dealers, and how the service process works. Outside of a few stories about the service by Yama's, it seems like anything bought new from the US shouldn't have any issues.

At this moment in time, I am a little more cautious when approaching stats than dynamics, as I don't have much experience with them.

I have however read great impression about the 2170 (and the Koss) here and on other sites, so most of my concerns at this point have been taken care of.
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My Lambda Pro continues to work like charm and its over 20 year old as well.  1987 was the mfg.date to be exact.

That's very impressive. Seems to fit my impression that Stax are for the most part well built.
Edited by AnalogSavior - 6/4/14 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by AnalogSavior View Post

Thanks for the reply. I've actually been looking into the authorized dealers, and how the service process works. Outside of a few stories about the service by Yama's, it seems like anything bought new from the US shouldn't have any issues.

At this moment in time, I am a little more cautious when approaching stats than dynamics, as I don't have much experience with them.

I have however read great impression about the 2170 (and the Koss) here and on other sites, so most of my concerns at this point have been taken care of.
That's very impressive. Seems to fit my impression that Stax are for the most part well built.

 

FWIW I've heard Accutech is not too shabby on repairs or even the cost (they are the official Stax repair service) for old gear - they have bad communication I have read however.

 

My best advice is to choose wisely from the start.  I recently went on a Stax binge earlier this year and pretty much lost my hat on some gear when trying to re-sell.  People on ebay and HF in general these days not willing to pay as much even for well kept gear it seems.  What shocks me are those roulette specials (Untested, crappy pictures, clueless sellers) that pop up on ebay every now and then which people end up paying top dollar for.  I like to think I'm not an idiot when it comes to these things and I thought I did my homework but turns out I still got beat by the market.


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 6/4/14 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Jodet View Post

I send in two email requests to Stax USA, was thinking of buying a pair of 007mk2's or maybe even 009's. 

They never replied. 

Seriously?   The company gets bought and they don't fix the horrendous US customer service?

I'll never buy a Stax product until they straighten out their US distributor and it looks like they never will. 

I have these things in stock, but am currently unable to get more new product from the distributor. I dont know why.

Sr-007 is extremely reliable but sr-009 can have imbalance issues
Edited by justin w. - 6/4/14 at 4:50pm

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post #2485 of 3461

This is almost tempting to buy another SR-009. It'll go sell very quickly though at this price (approx USD$2917) :-

 

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I've got a pair of airbow SC-21 with imbalance issue. Despite using match pair of tubes on SRM-006ts, left side has to increase to marking on volume knob "1.5" on my SRM-006Ts, while the right side is at zero. Is it normal for this amount of offset?
Edited by okw3188 - 6/5/14 at 4:49pm
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Have you tried discharging the headphones (unplug headphones and touch bias pin)? That seems a bit much for a modern-ish Stax headphone.

 

With my vintage headphones, sometimes the offset will go away if you leave the headphones on long enough (about a day).

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Originally Posted by Tachikoma View Post
 

Have you tried discharging the headphones (unplug headphones and touch bias pin)? That seems a bit much for a modern-ish Stax headphone.

 

With my vintage headphones, sometimes the offset will go away if you leave the headphones on long enough (about a day).

Thanks for the tip, will give it a try, over the weekend.

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Just so there is no confusion Airbow is not Stax. They take Stax headphones and make a whole bunch of tweaks to them - don't know what all the changes are, but if there is an issue with them it is not a Stax issue. 

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Originally Posted by AnalogSavior View Post
 

 

Hmmm...as much I'd like to, I might have to pass on Stax right now.  The Koss with the warranty seems to be the better option for me at the moment.

 

Thanks for the replys.

 

 

I have Koss ESP-950 and Stax Lambda Signature and SR-007 mk I's.

 

I like the 950's a whole lot. The Koss 950 is voiced differently than Stax, with a slightly richer midrange and a bit more bass impact. The ESP-950's highs are smooth and extended. There's lots of detail. Definitely an electrostatic level of clarity. But they do sound different from Stax.  That said, I feel that the ESP-950 sounds more like my SR-007 than my Lambda Signatures. I have recabled ESP-950's so I listen to them on all on the same amp - a Stax T-1.  However, the little Koss amp that comes with the ESP-950's doesn't sound all that much different.  Maybe a little less refinement, but overall the sound does not differ much from the T-1

 

My 2 cents worth:  Get the Koss. Get Stax, too, later on if you want.  A pair of Lambda's makes a nice contrast to the ESP-950's, you can get them used and you can make a plug adapter to drive the Stax off the Koss amp.

 

With the money you save over spending a ton on a high-end Stax rig, buy tickets for live music events- and try some different genre's- move out of your comfort zone:  try jazz, classical, chamber, world music, folk, blues, metal, trip-hop, hip-hop and alt rock......

 

Listening to headphones or speakers is nice, but live music is where it's at.

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