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post #2341 of 3315
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post
 

Lornecherry,

 

IMHO,the 009 is a better headphone  than the 007a,with my current amp

 

Understand,if I had to live with the 007a & the modded 727-it would not be the end of the world..The 009 is just an incredible headphone,probably the finest I've ever listened to.

 

Many people have suggested, if I do anymore upgrades,I might wan to consider the Blue Hawaii..but that is another major purchase,and my wife has suggested to me,that,any other major purchases of audio gear,might end in the removal of certain body parts,of mine---if you know what I mean???

 

I just sold the 007a,and will order the 009 within a few days,and see where this takes me...hopefully I will be end game..LOL.

I.m always trying to make myself believe that...

 

Mike


Mike,

Has your wife been making transatlantic calls to my wife? I mentioned making changes to my turntable and my wife referred to body parts, specifically 'a hiking boot to the family jewels'. Perhaps its a worldwide conspiracy to stop us buying new Stax stuff. It's even got Zolkis making his own earpads.LOL.

post #2342 of 3315

I could not live with the upsampling DAC's either because of the digititus. The problem with stats is that they are so transparent and revealing of all the up stream gear so poor recording or a highly lit up DAC will be immediately noticeable. Personally I went through a number of DAC's and ended up with a NOS DAC too for use with the 007MK1. The upsampling/oversampling versions I tried just sounded mechanical and artificial. I think if you are prepared to spend huge sums on an upsampler then they can be very good but I would find it very difficult to justify the cost of upwards of $30,000! Finally I tried both the Audio Note and Metrum and settled for the latter. I would love to have the opportunity to try the TotalDAC and the MSB Platinum as both of these are ladder DAC's.

I could not live with the upsampling DAC's either because of the digititus. The problem with stats is that they are so transparent and revealing of all the up stream gear so poor recording or a highly lit up DAC will be immediately noticeable. Personally I went through a number of DAC's and ended up with a NOS DAC too for use with the 007MK1. The upsampling/oversampling versions I tried just sounded mechanical and artificial. I think if you are prepared to spend huge sums on an upsampler then they can be very good but I would find it very difficult to justify the cost of upwards of $30,000! Finally I tried both the Audio Note and Metrum and settled for the latter. I would love to have the opportunity to try the TotalDAC and the MSB Platinum as both of these are ladder DAC's.

 

Agree completely.  

 

While DAC hunting this past year, I had the opportunity to hear many of the current crop of DAC and found that the R2R were in a totally different league, particularly with the 009/bhse.  Gobs of details without etch or bleeding ears.  I ended up with the TotalDAC but also liked the MSB stack (but couldn't afford it anyway).  I never got to do a direct A/B with the two, but could easily live with either ;).  Other top DACS, which sounded good until compared with the R2R dacs, included Ayre QB-9(new and old), Bricasti, Wadia 27ix (my old DAC), Viola, Berkely alpha, all very  nice DACS but not ones that could withstand the microscopic scrutiny of the stax 009.

post #2343 of 3315

Sorry to interrupt the conversation. I have a question in regard to older Stax headphone extention cables. I have a Stax headphone extention cable that is gray in color. The female prong has got six holes in it and the male prong has got five prongs in it.  What is the purpose of this type of cable?  Which type of Stax headphone could I use with it? Pro or Non Pro? Any information is welcome.  Thanks.

post #2344 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Scottsmrnyc View Post
 

Sorry to interrupt the conversation. I have a question in regard to older Stax headphone extention cables. I have a Stax headphone extention cable that is gray in color. The female prong has got six holes in it and the male prong has got five prongs in it.  What is the purpose of this type of cable?  Which type of Stax headphone could I use with it? Pro or Non Pro? Any information is welcome.  Thanks.

Both pro and non-pros can be used with this cable, but you must be aware not using non-pro earspeakers out of pro bias amps!

post #2345 of 3315

Thanks for finding the answer for me. I really do appreciate it.  

post #2346 of 3315
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Originally Posted by SquireC View Post
 


Mike,

Has your wife been making transatlantic calls to my wife? I mentioned making changes to my turntable and my wife referred to body parts, specifically 'a hiking boot to the family jewels'. Perhaps its a worldwide conspiracy to stop us buying new Stax stuff. It's even got Zolkis making his own earpads.LOL.

LOL

 

I've heard rumors they're going to start their own UNION!!!!

Lets just hope no Japanese women join-then,we're really.....well you know.

 

Mike

post #2347 of 3315

Sorry guys for the digression

Back to Stax now...

post #2348 of 3315
Great post Complin!

I agree 100%. I am demoing the 007/009/717/BHSE today so will report back - exciting.

My 'hope' is the 009 sounds so good with my 717 amp I can just live with that and not have to sell my wife to get the BHSE.

If however, the 009 and BHSE is a game changer, and is to another level totally with the 009 and 717, them I am screwed!

Keeping the 007s and getting the BHSE is more money than swopping out the 007s for the 009s and using my existing 717.

My front end is a None Oversampling Audio Note DAC tubed, so will probably sound a bit warmer the David's K-01?

That may tamper the 009s treble lift or sudden increase in detail. I can live with more detail as long as it doesn't head towards
the Lambda Signature direction of treble edge. That will come down to my DAC I reckon. Pity I couldn't bring my DAC but it is in
Spain and 3000 miles in the car would have shook it o bits....

The world without dealers I guess. Still a BHSE with dealer network would be 50% more money no doubt.
post #2349 of 3315
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

Great post Complin!

I agree 100%. I am demoing the 007/009/717/BHSE today so will report back - exciting.

My 'hope' is the 009 sounds so good with my 717 amp I can just live with that and not have to sell my wife to get the BHSE.

If however, the 009 and BHSE is a game changer, and is to another level totally with the 009 and 717, them I am screwed!

Keeping the 007s and getting the BHSE is more money than swopping out the 007s for the 009s and using my existing 717.

My front end is a None Oversampling Audio Note DAC tubed, so will probably sound a bit warmer the David's K-01?

That may tamper the 009s treble lift or sudden increase in detail. I can live with more detail as long as it doesn't head towards
the Lambda Signature direction of treble edge. That will come down to my DAC I reckon. Pity I couldn't bring my DAC but it is in
Spain and 3000 miles in the car would have shook it o bits....

The world without dealers I guess. Still a BHSE with dealer network would be 50% more money no doubt.

If the Lambda Signature's have a treble edge, I would suggest you also listen to some other DAC's at least. A tubed DAC should be providing a smooth and detailed sound. Never in a million years would I say that the Signatures have a treble edge, so something is 'not right' in your system IMHO.

 

And I would do that before making a firm decision on the 717 or BHSE.

 

Just thought I'd mention it before you sold the wife.

post #2350 of 3315

I had the Lambda Signatures for quite some time and still have no idea what this treble edge is all about  :confused:

post #2351 of 3315
Sorry, let re rephrase that. My Lambda Nova Signatures had a lower treble lift, thus emphasised that area of treble,
thus any recording that had extra energy in that area got even more emphasised.

I have found in speaker settings and headphone systems that digital (RedBook) can in many cases have a
slight but to me obvious treble edge, or shall we say cold lower treble quality.

I don't hear that in my original turntable system with the same amps and speakers and headphones.
I went through 8 or so decent DACs before I got my first None over Sampling DAC and finally was happy
with RedBook replay.

This subject is wide, and controversial and will rub many up the wrong way, so I won't go into it further here,
just to say, before anyone fires back in anger, I would strongly recommend they listen to a good
NOS DAC first.

Going back to the Lambda models, pretty much everyone concedes they have thin bass and emphasised
lower treble to their sound signature. They have however great imaging and fast typical response of E-Stats,
thus why I had them for years. IMHO it was also one of the reasons Stax were going bust, as they weren't getting
the sales mainstream to survive. The 007 was the answer I guess. And it is a great phone, though that also has
issues (needs great amp).

Sorry, long answer, hope this clears up my post which is of course my opinion, and why we have this forum right?
post #2352 of 3315
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

Sorry, let re rephrase that. My Lambda Nova Signatures had a lower treble lift, thus emphasised that area of treble,
thus any recording that had extra energy in that area got even more emphasised.

I have found in speaker settings and headphone systems that digital (RedBook) can in many cases have a
slight but to me obvious treble edge, or shall we say cold lower treble quality.

I don't hear that in my original turntable system with the same amps and speakers and headphones.
I went through 8 or so decent DACs before I got my first None over Sampling DAC and finally was happy
with RedBook replay.

This subject is wide, and controversial and will rub many up the wrong way, so I won't go into it further here,
just to say, before anyone fires back in anger, I would strongly recommend they listen to a good
NOS DAC first.

Going back to the Lambda models, pretty much everyone concedes they have thin bass and emphasised
lower treble to their sound signature. They have however great imaging and fast typical response of E-Stats,
thus why I had them for years. IMHO it was also one of the reasons Stax were going bust, as they weren't getting
the sales mainstream to survive. The 007 was the answer I guess. And it is a great phone, though that also has
issues (needs great amp).

Sorry, long answer, hope this clears up my post which is of course my opinion, and why we have this forum right?


Ok. I disagree that they have thin bass, it's just not a bass that will make your head rumble. But all the frequencies are there.

And one more thing, Lambda Nova Signature != Lambda Signature ;)

post #2353 of 3315

Yeah... going to go out on a limb here.  To my tin ears the Lambda Nova Signatures do not sound treble etched or treble emphasized or weak in the bass; hope your pair is OK!  Are your pads original or modern?  I can tell you that finding the right amp for LNS has been somewhat a unexpected experience.  Let's just say I didn't like them on the KGSS or 717 when compared to the 323s despite the former two amps having high marks (this is just in the case of the LNS not o2 for example).  I'm still trying to figure that one out!

post #2354 of 3315
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Originally Posted by AManAnd88Keys View Post
 


Ok. I disagree that they have thin bass, it's just not a bass that will make your head rumble. But all the frequencies are there.

And one more thing, Lambda Nova Signature != Lambda Signature ;)

your not saying that the LNS and LS are the same headphone are you?  cause they aren't.

post #2355 of 3315

The != most definitely means is not the same as ;)

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