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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

I think people tend to think it's 007, 009 or nothing.

 

And then I think people are scared of weak bass and slim genre bandwidth along with the amplification requirements.

 

Then there's also the looks and the fact that it seems as such a niche product.. And the horror stories of imbalance and stuff.

+1 on this ,

Recently,daildozeofdaly { a guy I never met,or even pm'd},was kind enough to lend me his 009's for a week or so.

Not so sure many headfiers who are lucky enough to own a $3600.00 pair of headphones would do.

comparing  a 007a with my 727a { Justin Mod} ,to the 009,brought me into an entire new level of SQ.

In almost all genres of music ,there was a huge improvement & clarity,I found myself listening to the 009 for 8-10 hours at a clip,totally hearing,instruments ,that I never heard before with my other gear..especially with my classical music.

I have been around this forum,for a few years,and,although I am no expert-I know what my old cryoed ears tell me,and I have to say-Stax is probably the finest headphones ,if properly amped,there is....

YMMV.,of course

So,yes,I agree with Davidsh....

 

Mike


Edited by mikek200 - 5/11/14 at 9:36am
post #2327 of 4052
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

I think people tend to think it's 007, 009 + BHSE or nothing.

Fixed Your Post :D

 

Ali

post #2328 of 4052
Mike, are you saying that the 009 sounded better with the 007a, or your Justin modded 727? The reason I ask, is also have a Justin modded 727 (with Omega 2.5s)...and was wondering if the jump to the 009 is significant with the 727...since it may be a while before a Blue Hawaii finds its way here.
post #2329 of 4052

Lornecherry,

 

IMHO,the 009 is a better headphone  than the 007a,with my current amp

 

Understand,if I had to live with the 007a & the modded 727-it would not be the end of the world..The 009 is just an incredible headphone,probably the finest I've ever listened to.

 

Many people have suggested, if I do anymore upgrades,I might wan to consider the Blue Hawaii..but that is another major purchase,and my wife has suggested to me,that,any other major purchases of audio gear,might end in the removal of certain body parts,of mine---if you know what I mean???

 

I just sold the 007a,and will order the 009 within a few days,and see where this takes me...hopefully I will be end game..LOL.

I.m always trying to make myself believe that...

 

Mike


Edited by mikek200 - 5/12/14 at 8:38am
post #2330 of 4052
Quote:
Mike, are you saying that the 009 sounded better with the 007a, or your Justin modded 727? The reason I ask, is also have a Justin modded 727 (with Omega 2.5s)...and was wondering if the jump to the 009 is significant with the 727...since it may be a while before a Blue Hawaii finds its way here.

I can help you with this this week. I have the 007s though Mk2.5s and a 717 which is probably very close to your modded 727.
I am to do a big test session with a head-fier comparing my 007s to his 009s plugged into my 717.

His source is different to mine (K-01) as I have a None Oversampling DAC which has tubed output. However the session
will be a very good indicator to me if I want to jump onto the 009s and if the extra detail is not at the expense of faitigue or treble
edge which I really hate.

The signature of my 007s is to my liking right now on my setup, but possibly a bit down in the upper treble. And maybe the bass slam
is a tad loose if played quite loud. I am hoping the extra efficiency and easier to drive 009s will fix that on my 717, and my NOS DAC will
ensure I got any extra treble edge from the extra detail I imagine the 009s will reveal to me.

I am pretty convinced the extra treble detail of the 009s is the blessing and a curse of this leading headphone. It seems folk who have
problems with that may be either very high frequency sensitive and / or have brighter sounding DACs. I have been through the ringer
with DACs and almost abandoned CD replay until I found none oversampling DACs like the Metrum or Audio Note models. For me, the upper
treble quality of digital was always my problem area, I just didn't like it.

So, just maybe the goal might be get a pair of 009s, and demo a NOS DAC after, to see if it completes the set for you.

I'll report back here later this week (plus with photos of the gear, BHSE, K-01)
post #2331 of 4052
I heard the 007mk2's with my BHSE the other week and didn't rate those headphones, however sometime ago I got to hear the 007mk1's with my BHSE and they sounded a lot better, at the time though I was using SED's whereas when listening to the 007mk2's I was using the Psvane PH's.
With you suggesting some photos of the gear we'll be listening to Julian, it would be a good idea to have a photo taken of your 007's and my mod 009's together, one of my Rooms stands could be used for your 007's.
Also a photo of just your 717 and my BHSE ( amp section only ) at the side of each other.
post #2332 of 4052

Oooh Err... Body parts in exchange for audio gear........ now thats a thought  :eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post
 

my wife has suggested to me,that,any other major purchases of audio gear,might end in the removal of certain body parts,of mine---if you know what I mean???

 

post #2333 of 4052

I have been down this route already and come to similar conclusions

I could not live with the upsampling DAC's either because of the digititus. The problem with stats is that they are so transparent and revealing of all the up stream gear so poor recording or a highly lit up DAC will be immediately noticeable. Personally I went through a number of DAC's and ended up with a NOS DAC too for use with the 007MK1. The upsampling/oversampling versions I tried just sounded mechanical and artificial. I think if you are prepared to spend huge sums on an upsampler then they can be very good but I would find it very difficult to justify the cost of upwards of $30,000! Finally I tried both the Audio Note and Metrum and settled for the latter. I would love to have the opportunity to try the TotalDAC and the MSB Platinum as both of these are ladder DAC's.

    

Having both the 007mk1 and the 009 in terms of amplification requirements they do differ considerably. The 007 Mk1 really needs a lot of power/voltage to make it swing and come to life. The BHSE is an ideal amp for this purpose so there should be a significant improvement overall from a stock Stax amp. In comparison the 009 is relatively easy to drive for example I was listening to it on my little Stax 252 amp last night as I couldn't be bothered to fire up the valve rig, and it was producing excellent sound and impressive bass for such a cheap power source! 

 

The 009 in comparison to the 007Mk1 is much more lit up. Im not sure I would necessarily describe it as bright (unless the recording is that way inclined), not like the Sennheiser HD800's which sometimes catches you out really impinges painfully on the treble end of the hearing!! The 009 certainly improves in some areas over the 007 like extended frequency extremes and soundstage. Its really difficult to describe verbally how the 007Mk1 compares to 009. Some say its a dark sounding headphone, personally I wouldn't describe it that way. Its more that it doesn't draw attention to itself with exaggerated bass or lit up treble. Its a very organic, natural and integrated sound, not the immediate wow factor but the more you listen the more you realise just how great a headphone it is IMHO. Personally i'm not that keen on the stock 007Mk11 but I believe Spritzer came up with some small reversible mods (port blocking, pads etc) to improve the sound to be similar to the MK1.

Just to complicate matters both the 007Mk1's and MK11's appear to have had different generations of Stax drivers throughout their manufacturing lifecycle, so early and late versions won't necessarily sound and perform with an amplifier in the same way which could account for some of the differences in opinion regarding amplification. I don't think Stax have put this information in the public domain so it largely been pieced together by enthusiasts, so mainly anecdotal.  

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post


I can help you with this this week. I have the 007s though Mk2.5s and a 717 which is probably very close to your modded 727.
I am to do a big test session with a head-fier comparing my 007s to his 009s plugged into my 717.

His source is different to mine (K-01) as I have a None Oversampling DAC which has tubed output. However the session
will be a very good indicator to me if I want to jump onto the 009s and if the extra detail is not at the expense of faitigue or treble
edge which I really hate.

The signature of my 007s is to my liking right now on my setup, but possibly a bit down in the upper treble. And maybe the bass slam
is a tad loose if played quite loud. I am hoping the extra efficiency and easier to drive 009s will fix that on my 717, and my NOS DAC will
ensure I got any extra treble edge from the extra detail I imagine the 009s will reveal to me.

I am pretty convinced the extra treble detail of the 009s is the blessing and a curse of this leading headphone. It seems folk who have
problems with that may be either very high frequency sensitive and / or have brighter sounding DACs. I have been through the ringer
with DACs and almost abandoned CD replay until I found none oversampling DACs like the Metrum or Audio Note models. For me, the upper
treble quality of digital was always my problem area, I just didn't like it.

So, just maybe the goal might be get a pair of 009s, and demo a NOS DAC after, to see if it completes the set for you.

I'll report back here later this week (plus with photos of the gear, BHSE, K-01)

Edited by complin - 5/12/14 at 3:07am
post #2334 of 4052

So I had quite the scare this weekend. I came home from work and found out my Stax setup wasn't responding when I pressed play. After some panic I found out it was the dac. I don't think it's too serious as it turns on and led inside the dac turns on but I'm going to contact a local audio repair shop and get an estimated quote. I might also see if they can upgrade the chassis to something higher quality while I'm at it.


Edited by rawrster - 5/12/14 at 7:38am
post #2335 of 4052

I thought it was an "RCA" wire

post #2336 of 4052

I bought a rca to mini to see if it was the dac or my amp/headphones as the only other dac I own is a Concero HP. I connected that to my SRM717 which did look a bit silly considering how small that is compared to the amp. 

 

I'm not too worried about it. The original builder is a well known DIY'er and willing to take a look at it if I want to do overseas shipping which I'm not sure about yet since shipping alone will be over $100 round trip. A local audio hifi repair shop will be able to give me a quote so I'll see if it's worth it from there.

post #2337 of 4052

Excellent,

Your still welcome to do any further testing on my setup,if needed.-ok?

 

Mike

post #2338 of 4052

I feel sleazy for saying this but just when I thought I've gotten my rig finally dialed in I go and get bitten by the Stax bug pretty hard to the point that I'm letting go of a big chunk of my dynamic rig.    If anyone's looking for a Headamp KGSS in DX size please let me know!


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 5/12/14 at 4:18pm
post #2339 of 4052
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post
 

I feel sleazy for saying this but just when I thought I've gotten my rig finally dialed in I go and get bitten by the Stax bug pretty hard to the point that I'm letting go of a big chunk of my dynamic rig.    If anyone's looking for a Headamp KGSS in DX size please let me know!

LOL,Join the club

I sold every HP & amp I had ,along with some very expensive Leica & Zeiss camera lens ,to finance my Stax rig

Now,I'm upgrading to the 009,& as stated above,my wife will begin slowly removing some of my most treasured body parts,and is now threatening the ups/fedex delivery men too

 

Enjoy,you are now at endgame-congratulations..

 

Mike

post #2340 of 4052
Many who venture into Stax never go back smily_headphones1.gif I sold my dynamic rig after getting the O2
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