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post #2296 of 3302
I don't know what has been happening here of late. But there is a lot of bs being thrown around. Lots of very experienced voices here, and then the others. Dial it In. Boring read.
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post


Get up to speed please!!!!

http://www.headamp.com/electrostat_amps/kgss/

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You know you were commenting back to the designer of both the KGSS and KGSSHV?  KGSS=Kevin Gilmore Solid State=gilency.  I think you need to get up to speed.  As for your other comments, I'll point out to you that Kevin Gilmore is one of the leading designers of electrostatic amps (think blue hawaii/kgss/kgsshv/etc.) and headphone amps in general.  While you may disagree with some of what he says, I doubt you should try to lecture him.  His knowledge on the space is likely 10x or more than yours.


Edited by Crashem - 5/9/14 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by NoPants View Post
 

pretty sure stax thinks they got it right, where "right" just happens to align with the modern perspective that an accentuated treble presence implies a "detailed and analytic" sound

So what about the Sony Qualia 010 then introduced 2004 ? I have some vintage AKG K240 they are bright too introduced 40 years ago!

 

iirc spritzer owns an MSB platinum III? That DAC is clearly garbage

So how can you justify a comment that this well regarded DAC is garbage? Compared to what!

 

I don't care much for cables either but if people want to play with them it's their prerogative. I certainly like the way ribbon cables look so I intend on purchasing some fancy ones when I run out of things to tweak on the component side

So why are solid silver cables and silver wound transformers regarded as audibly superior by the majority of high end audio designers? 


Edited by complin - 5/9/14 at 8:29am
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Lots of funny stuff in just the last few posts. Funny how everyone trying to correct everyone isn't really clear themselves or understand sarcasm...

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Well if it was intended as sarcasm afraid it flew right over my head :veryevil:

If I were making such comments then I would append .......

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Just kidding :)

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Originally Posted by RiStaR View Post
 

Lots of funny stuff in just the last few posts. Funny how everyone trying to correct everyone isn't really clear themselves or understand sarcasm...

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Lots of talk about the 009s being bright here, and even brighter on the BHSE.

I will soon hear for myself next week, as I am visiting a Head-Fi-er to hear the 009s and BHSE but also directly compare my 007Mk2s and the BHSE
and my SRM-717 powering the 009s.

Ahead of the evaluation, I am convinced the 007s were designed on purpose to tame the current trend of modern DACs to be very detailed
and leaning towards a brighter balance. I abandoned Delta-Sigma DACs to move over to NOS tubed DACs for this same bright and possibly
solid state sound? Maybe I wouldn't go so far as saying treble etch, or digital edge? But I certainly fell out with many solid state DAC designs
and solid state amps for my speaker set up.

I wonder why Justin dropped the KGSSHV product in favour of the EL34 tube route? Solid state can sound great, accurate, exciting. Maybe it is
too much of that with a solid state front end (DAC and possibly a pre-amp) into a solid state headphone amp with truly revealing headphones?

At a live gig we keep talking about, we are live yes, BUT we are set back behind people and seats (normally). In a classical theatre the design
of the space leans towards a warm sound by the nature of the environment. In a rock concert, we are again amongst people and other energy
absorbing items. These all act as filters or subtle screens i.e delays in sound and softening of edges to the sound.

With phones like the 009s we now have a direct wire if you like, to the drum, the guitar or the human voice, as though we are on stage?
It is no wonder the upstream gear is critical. Is it the 009s remove all the layers, and leave the whole for all to hear. If it's bright,
then it is the fault of the gear driving it. The response of the 009 is very flat right? And the transducers very fast, faster than any other speaker?

So, my idea is to have a balanced system, we might need either tubes in the mix or a warm DAC with the 009s.

I don't know yet, but hope to know next week.

I might hazard a guess that some (including Spritzer) may have solid state detailed (cold?) sounding DACs that just don't gell
with the 009s. Maybe the happy 009 users are using tube rolling to bring back a small amount of warmth or organic feel to
the music? Just enough to them make a match in heaven - detail and warmth. Possibly a great amp (and a great headphone) can be truly great,
and system match the rest of the gear upstream and downstream with careful tube selection / cables and even software (not EQ software).

 

 

You're kind of an idiot - that is badly informed, dude.


Edited by paradoxper - 5/9/14 at 9:18am
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A bit strong ... more badly informed

 

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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

You're kind of an idiot, dude.

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It's funny how much battle is going on about amps, cables, sound signature compensations etc, but there is much less talk about properly tuning the variable parts of the headphones, i.e. ear pads, headband, and internal lining/filling where it applies. This is also true with (electrodynamic) speakers.

 

Perhaps because positive experiences with tuning speakers in the past, I couldn't help tweaking further the ear pads of the 007.

After trying a variety of materials inside the pads, it was shocking how different they all sounded - much bigger differences than between amps. Will post a report with pictures soon, but the good news first: I ended up with an ear pad mod that makes the 007 Mk1 sound quite much more open, with much bigger sound stage, and also with more defined and snappier bass (or another option for lush, wet, softer bass lines a la old reel tape players, depending on your taste). In parallel, I have also experimented with the TH900 with the goal to get the mids work better - and I have very good news there, too.

 

Out of the available stock pads for various headphones, the SR Omega and the 009 pads may be the best choice for the 007, but couldn't find any source for them, original or 3rd party - so these remain to be tested.

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Sorry, I see that. KGSS I meant, my correction. My message was, why has Justin concentrated on the valve route?
My listening with SS and tubed amps, is I prefer tubes.

SS front end plus SS amps - never found a happy solution.....
post #2305 of 3302
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Originally Posted by astrostar59 View Post

Sorry, I see that. KGSS I meant, my correction. My message was, why has Justin concentrated on the valve route?
My listening with SS and tubed amps, is I prefer tubes.

SS front end plus SS amps - never found a happy solution.....

Ahhh, this is getting so annoying! Would you mind doing us all a favor and reading a bit more background info? I don't know, you could start with keywords like "high voltage amplification" or "electrostatic amplifier". It's not like this is the first time evaaa this stuff is discussed.
post #2306 of 3302
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

You're kind of an idiot - that is badly informed, dude.
Careful man. You can't make personal attacks. You can imply, but just don't say. Lol
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post


Ahhh, this is getting so annoying! Would you mind doing us all a favor and reading a bit more background info? I don't know, you could start with keywords like "high voltage amplification" or "electrostatic amplifier". It's not like this is the first time evaaa this stuff is discussed.

Don't you forget to report your talk with Stax's people :ph34r:

 

Ali

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That's a ridiculous price...

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That's a ridiculous price...

post #2310 of 3302
I find this rather odd. For me I listen then I make choices. I don't try or want to get off on who knows how stuff works
better than anyone else. That route leads to a bullying type forum where 2 or 3 folk have the last say.

At the end of the day, we are all here to discover a system (in my case) that sounds right to my ears.
For me that has led me to where I am now. Healthy discussions are great to share, and some love SS others valves,
some get off on classical, others like heavy rock.

Leave the egos alone. Or the forum may head the way many others have IMHO.

There is room for eveyone's view without getting Thor's hammer out.....

Now I'm off to chill out listening to some tunes, which is why I visited this forum in the first place.
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