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post #2266 of 2967
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

I personally find even the Omega to be rather strident on the KGSSHV. It is not to the point of being harsh, but audibly annoying.

 

That's just for me personally. To frame this into context, I'm a rather young lad with treble sensitivity who finds the stock HD 800 intolerable. To make my admittedly flippant prior remark (re: generation gaps) sound a little more reasonable, I don't know of a gentleman who enjoys the SR-009 + KGSSHV pairing that's not younger than their late 30s or so -- presbycusis?

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Im 25 and I dont have any problems with the HV with the 009s, I think it sounds pretty excellent. The treble might be a bit more present than some other high end cans, but never once did i ever think it was too bright or even close to painful of any sort. the treble is so smooth on the 009s...
post #2267 of 2967

^^ - second this. My 009 sounds close to perfection on my KGSSHV - definitely no strident highs. (Though I've heard it even better on a BHSE).

 

(But then, I never found the HD800 to be harsh as well. I love the HD800s with my current B22 (4channel balanced), and I've heard it even better on the GSX MKii).

 

As usual - YMMV (variables include source, clean power, cabling etc.)

post #2268 of 2967

Full disclosure: I currently use modded HD800s out of a 2A3 MKIV.

 

However, I'd like to second what 3X0 is saying. I've spent a bit of time with the 009s on the KGSSHV and the treble really turned me off. I actually lived with the 007 mk1 + KGSSHV for a while and then sold the whole kit n kaboodle. During my period of ownership I had a chance to demo the 009s extensively several times and I walked away every time preferring the SR-007 MK1s.

 

My reference point is multiple series annually at Davies Symphony Hall for years and years. I actually got to hear the amazing MTT/SFS Mahler cycle in person and I use those recordings quite a bit in my evaluation of gear because even after more than a decade, I still remember the experience vividly.

post #2269 of 2967
Since using the Psvane EL34PH's with my BHSE, my 009's sound unbelievably good, in fact I'm not that bothered about listening to anything else. I also have the LCD-XC's which I use with my GS-Xmk2, but I hardly listen to that combo since using the PH's.
That wasn't the case when I was using the stock Mullard's and SED's with my BHSE, at that time I was listening to my LCD-XC / GS-X more than my 009 / BHSE.

While using both the stock Mullard's and SED's, my 009's sounded bright, but with the PH's I find there's no such problem, just headphone bliss.
post #2270 of 2967
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Originally Posted by zerodeefex View Post
 

I currently use modded HD800s

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 009s on the KGSSHV and the treble really turned me off.

Something doesn't add up. 

post #2271 of 2967
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

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Originally Posted by zerodeefex View Post

 
I currently use modded HD800s
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 009s on the KGSSHV and the treble really turned me off.
Something doesn't add up. 

I agree.
post #2272 of 2967
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Originally Posted by jaycalgary View Post
 

I just bought a pair of Stax DA100M amps from Japan fairly blind. Looks to me like some of the Rca jacks were replaced at some point. Hoping they will be in good working modern condition. I can't make total sense of the Japanese translation but it sounded to me like I bought a pair in good working condition from probably a reseller with 1 slightly bent speaker jack. I bought off Buyee. Would somebody that understands Japanese well mind taking a look at the Buyee link and or the Yahoo link and briefly help me understand how it was described and if the seller seems like he would really know if they work properly? I am just really curious not that it make a difference now. I am thinking they will be amps for Apogee ribbon speakers one day.

 

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/k171454526    http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k171454526


Hi Jay, it would be a good idea to check for weak soldering points. I got my pair about 10 years ago with one not working. It was only a bad solder joint. These babies get quite hot and switching them on & off can deteriorate the soldering after some years. Also always replace the smaller elcos, Panasonics are a good replacement.

 

The DA-100M did great with my Martin Logan CLS IIz until I tried DIY tube monos from a friend later on. They beat the Staxen IMO. Good luck!


Edited by yawg - 5/7/14 at 4:40am
post #2273 of 2967
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Did you like the LNS better?

I like my LNS even better after I fitted the 507 pads. Although the foam has evaporated and become totally transparent - the drivers are loose but there are no disturbing side effects.

post #2274 of 2967
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

I agree.
I wouldn't write off the experiences of others unless you've had personal experience with the pairing. When the HD 800 is modified (properly), the result has audibly reduced treble response that has been confirmed by measurement. This is subjective listening corroborated by objective measurement, whereas the availability of the latter in Stax pairings has been relatively lacking.

Given the SR-009 was designed with the SRM-T1 and SRM-727, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it had more treble energy with the KGSSHV than modded HD 800s.

I don't doubt the SR-007 being at least tested with the SRM-717 given how comparatively well it does with the KG designs (besides being bundled with the 717 as a system). Conjecture though.
post #2275 of 2967

The 009's are know to be "brighter" than the previous Stax range But not as bright as the HD800. Personally I don't find the mods so far that really fix the issue. With both headphones being so revealing its not clear to me that its always the headphone at fault, often I find its the source material(recording) or DAC.

I have both and the 800's are by far the pickiest headphone I have ever owned in 40 years in this hobby.  

 

I too am a frequent live music goer but we are fooling ourselves if we think that many modern recordings approach anything like a live performance. What with modern production techniques, close mic-ing of instruments and the engineers interpretation he lays down for us to hear later then ...............   

I suggest you give this a watch http://www.head-fi.org/t/661545/rmaf-2012-just-how-absolute-is-recorded-sound

 

Personally I don't find any of the KG amplifiers bright, quite the contrary although I do know some manufacturers voice their amplifiers in a particular direction which I feel is the wrong approach, it should be a neutral device as far as possible, unless you opt for tube or op amp rolling!   

 

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Originally Posted by zerodeefex View Post
 

Full disclosure: I currently use modded HD800s out of a 2A3 MKIV.

 

However, I'd like to second what 3X0 is saying. I've spent a bit of time with the 009s on the KGSSHV and the treble really turned me off. I actually lived with the 007 mk1 + KGSSHV for a while and then sold the whole kit n kaboodle. During my period of ownership I had a chance to demo the 009s extensively several times and I walked away every time preferring the SR-007 MK1s.

 

My reference point is multiple series annually at Davies Symphony Hall for years and years. I actually got to hear the amazing MTT/SFS Mahler cycle in person and I use those recordings quite a bit in my evaluation of gear because even after more than a decade, I still remember the experience vividly.


Edited by complin - 5/7/14 at 8:29am
post #2276 of 2967
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

 

All I need is my stock 007t/ii amp with my RCA cleartops and some Cardas Golden Cross interconnects and some old warmish-sounding Shunyata power cables and the sound is remarkable, unlike any other headphone I have heard in terms of 

resolution, insight, and speed, all without fatigue or pain. The bass is wonderful, reasonably deep and with nice impact and the whole frequency spectrum is very well balanced from top to bottom. And if I could do this with my amp, I think the other amps are worthy of more thorough experimentation.

 

(I have moved on to some great Stealth interconnects and a very good power conditioner, but these were more icing on the cake, and not truly necessary.)

 

Hi there,

 

Can you share more on the parenthetical "icing on the cake" part please?

 

I'm currently down the rabbit hole, looking up, and optimizing my streamer==>DAC==>BHSE==>009 system, with psvane and stock tubes.

I have 'meh' cables right now (belkin usb, low end audioquest balanced interconnects) and just took the PSAudio power conditioner out of the loop to get back to a baseline.

post #2277 of 2967
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Originally Posted by complin View Post

I think n3rdling also summarized it rather well that perceived brightness might actually be the product of neutral amplification, in which case it might be argued that the KG amps are objectively closer to ideal.

The amplifier's interaction with the load might affect the perceived tonal balance. This might explain why I prefer the tonal balance of the SR-009 with "lesser" amps. Hard to say without measurements (amp+load, measured at transducer) to corroborate.

You bring up an excellent point with regards to recordings. From venue to our ears we're playing two rounds of telephone, and it's possible some pairings might sound closer to reality (i. e. closing the gap to the actual performance at the venue) for some styles and quality grades of recordings than others.
Edited by 3X0 - 5/7/14 at 8:08am
post #2278 of 2967
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

I agree.
I wouldn't write off the experiences of others unless you've had personal experience with the pairing. When the HD 800 is modified (properly), the result has audibly reduced treble response that has been confirmed by measurement. This is subjective listening corroborated by objective measurement, whereas the availability of the latter in Stax pairings has been relatively lacking.

Given the SR-009 was designed with the SRM-T1 and SRM-727, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it had more treble energy with the KGSSHV than modded HD 800s.

I don't doubt the SR-007 being at least tested with the SRM-717 given how comparatively well it does with the KG designs (besides being bundled with the 717 as a system). Conjecture though.

I guess I shouldn't have been agreeing because I've never heard a modified HD-800, in fact I have only heard the HD-800 for a short time, I've also never heard the 009's driven by the KGSSHV, but some posts I've read are saying both headphones sound bright which I suppose was the reason I wrote " I agree".
I think in future I'll just stick to comments about the headphones / amps I've had a lot of listening time with, my apologies.
post #2279 of 2967

Actually the "loading" you refer to IS an issue with dynamics as they are sensitive to the output impedance of the amplifier and to some extent the resistance of the cable.

However this is a non issue with a properly designed electrostatics amplifier as the headphones present a very different capacitive load, represented by the electrostatic headphone's stators and its cable.

 

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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


The amplifier's interaction with the load might affect the perceived tonal balance. This might explain why I prefer the tonal balance of the SR-009 with "lesser" amps. Hard to say without measurements (amp+load, measured at transducer) to corroborate.
 
post #2280 of 2967
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

 

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Originally Posted by zerodeefex View Post

 

I currently use modded HD800s

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009s on the KGSSHV and the treble really turned me off.

 

Something doesn't add up.

 

It's a matter of word selection and personal meaning attributed to those words. The modded HD800 (the latest mods) do a lot to tame the treble, but it's still a slightly bright headphone if we look at the treble in relation to the midrange. However, the HD800 isn't as "lean" as the SR-007 if we consider the mid/high bass region in relation to the mids. Measurements not withstanding, and assuming a good seal, the SR-009 appears to lose energy, just slightly - a few db, as we move down to 20Hz. Not really a big deal.

 

I never thought the SR-009 and KGSSHV (or T2DIY) combo was "bright" with the sources and recodings I used. However, I can certainly see people finding the SR-009/KGSSHV overly analytical, too etched, or too edgy (which is separate from brightness) depending upon source and recordings used. Combined with the fact that the SR-009 doesn't have the HD800's broad mid/high bass bump, all these factors could certainly contribute to people finding the KGSSHV setup "bright". As a saide note, the combo that I found painfully etched and strident was the SR-009 + Headamp BHSE (not to be confused with n3rdlings BH) + Oppo (SABRE) regardless of recording. (the BHSE has always seemed "brighter" to the KGSS/HV builds I have heard)

 

There's not much current choice anyways. Just pick your poison. KGSS/HV, LL2, WES, SR727. Or get the Aristaeus if you can get Justin to build one for you. Whatever strokes folks weiners.


Edited by purrin - 5/7/14 at 8:55am
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