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post #1801 of 3315

The warmest/darkest sounding lambda in my opinion is the Lambda Nova Signature. It sounds very similar to the 007 but lacks the bass response of its bigger brother.

My favorite Lambdas are definitely the Lambda Normal Bias and Lambda Signature from the 80s.

post #1802 of 3315

There is so much wrong in the few posts made by people who have not heard or obviously have no clue what they are talking about. 

 

I'll make judgement on these posts later on when I'm sober.

post #1803 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

There is so much wrong in the few posts made by people who have not heard or obviously have no clue what they are talking about. 

 

I'll make judgement on these posts later on when I'm sober.

Those people will have to wait for a loooong time :D 

 

Ali

post #1804 of 3315
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post
 

I've previously done the  "bending the front arc" tweak to reduce the front of pad pressure, but what's the purpose of flattening the top of the arcs? If it's to reduce the overall pad pressure, then I imagine that's only applicable for "big headed" people - I find the default arc setup already gives me a fairly loose fit.  

 

Correct. No particular purpose, other than setting the correct distance between the two earspeakers, then using the angling to follow one's head shape.

I have tried a loose fit too (achievable by flattening the arc and/or modifying the angle), and it sounded nice and open with a bigger soundstage, but it is inferior to a medium tight fit with the correct shape: the latter is the same open, has better focused sound stage, snappier bass with deeper string resonance.

 

Then, too wide (too flat) headband shape is not good, either, somehow sounds like out of phase speakers.

 

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BTW, I tried rotating the spring as you have done. Sound seemed to change, but not conclusive as to what's best, so for the moment it's back to pointing to the seam. I guess this is more significant with the foam change.

 

Indeed the foam change makes it more prominent. In my case it is obvious and quite big effect (for me). I think the effect is more noticeable when everything else is correctly set: this is the last fine-tuning which should be done.

 

 

Finally, have you tried damping the arcs? As per edstrelow's thread.

 

The arcs don't really bother me, until I hit them :). Yes, I tried, it's not significant IMO, and it looks bad. In turn, I was playing with the thought to damp the spring, the circumference of the earspeakers below the pads, and perhaps the perforated plate too, with thin felt pads - likely would make the highs even more "calm". But this is a bit difficult tuning, and in the end I am fine with the treble of the 007. Likely it is worth doing with the 009, but maybe not with the 007.

 

I agree with your last point, particularly for those who find the 007's too dark or lacking bass impact. These types of changes do open it up nicely. However, all this flexibility is a double edged sword for the impatient: It's great that you can tweak it to sound brilliant, but it's also a drag that you have to tweak it to sound brilliant.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. Very few manufacturers seem to put enough money in truly optimizing the acoustic environment of the headphones. That's why I mentioned in some earlier post that e.g. earpad design is like black magic. I don't know if there is a reliable methodology (e.g. finite element analysis) which can help designing earpads given the earspeakers' measurements.

 

For instance, I have also played with e.g. the HE-500, and that was a lot easier than with the 007. Without earpads the HE500 sounded really good, except tizzy and zingy, but bass was excellent, clean and resonant, and was a better starting point that the all-midrange honky sound of the 007 without the earpads. The earpads used in the orthos and the stats are clearly old-school textbook golden paths, unlike the pads on the Senn HD800 or AKG K812. I wonder what earpads could Sennheiser or AKG design for the stats...

 

But then this may all be mistaken, as the earpads of the 007 are actually close to an optimum, especially with the versatility offered by the spring design (though I don't know if that is a side effect or a planned one). Given that earpads cannot really be manufactured at exact tolerances, and because the 007 is so sensitive to this, it is very hard to 'standardize' tuning the 007's. The manufacturer should do this, measure every single headphone like Sennheiser does, and fine-tune each piece separately until they are near optimum. At least my current settings seem to work well with most of my friends and family, so there is a better optimum than the factory default. Stax, take the point for next products.


Edited by zolkis - 3/23/14 at 6:21am
post #1805 of 3315
Just some small observations, the Lambda Pro / SRM-006t combo is simply sublime with Acoustic music and Rock, but seams to struggle a bit with Jazz. I do really like the combo, and the headphones are quite comfortable too.

Is it necessary to cover the headphones when not in use?

Thanks guys, and I look forward to reading more of this ongoing debate about new vs old stax
post #1806 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DutchGFX View Post

Just some small observations, the Lambda Pro / SRM-006t combo is simply sublime with Acoustic music and Rock, but seams to struggle a bit with Jazz. I do really like the combo, and the headphones are quite comfortable too.

Is it necessary to cover the headphones when not in use?

Thanks guys, and I look forward to reading more of this ongoing debate about new vs old stax

Hi, what aspect of the Pro did you like with respect to rock music ? As for covering the HPs, I put my 007s in the Stax bag and wrap that bag in a towel ! Where I live, humidity can get very uncomfortable.

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I am currently selling off almost all of my dynamic and planar headphones.  And selling a bunch of headphone amps too. I have just gotten to like electrostatic headphones too much, I don't listen to the others any more.  I went through 2 months where I tried to listen to my LCD-2's and HD800s more- and they do have their strengths- but then I went back to Stax and ESP-950's  and I just don't think I can listen to the HD800s or LCD2s any more.  I mean, I really WANT to love the HD800's, they do a lot things right. But I just can't handle their treble.  It hurts my ears.  I have a bit of hyperacusis right right the HD800's have their emphasis and I just can't listen to them. 

 

I think there's also something about my overall sound preferences -  I have had a TON of speakers over the years including some very pricey models. Right now my favorites are my refurbished Quad ESL-57's. Yeah, they don't play REAL loud.  The deepest bass is M.I.A.,  and the treble is a little "plasticky" sounding. But there is something about their sound, especially the midrange and upper bass, that is just what I want, what I'm looking for,  from music playback.  My other system, which I also like very much, is a pair of Magneplanar MG-3.6's, triamped using a DEQX.  These have subwoofers as well, below 45 Hz using an additional digital crossover.  The imaging from these is amazing- the DEQX brings the performance of this system in the time domain into incredible focus.

 

So BOTH of my favorite speakers are panel speakers.  Whatever it is that they do so well is apparently what I also like about electrostatic headphones.  More accurate? Flatter?  Lower distortion?  Better time-domain performance? I don't know.  I don't think it's really related to "accuracy"  or "neutrality" - there's just something in the way they present sound that I lock onto.

 

I wonder- are the other Stax fanatics also big fans of electrostatic speakers like I am?

post #1808 of 3315
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Originally Posted by milosz View Post
 

I wonder- are the other Stax fanatics also big fans of electrostatic speakers like I am?

 

I like the upper echeon Martin Logans and Nakamichi Dragons. I did not like the Quads when I heard them.

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Funny thing, just about any headphone I hear sounds 'off' and unnatural compared to a good electrostat, especially in the treble/higher mids.

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The 'stat treble and mid-range is indeed unmatched.

post #1811 of 3315

Sometimes the treble and mids are too emphasised on the stats including the 009. 

post #1812 of 3315
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Originally Posted by milosz View Post

 

I wonder- are the other Stax fanatics also big fans of electrostatic speakers like I am?

 

I didn't happen to like the Martin Logan variety, they have actually less resolution than e.g. a Dunlavy SC-IV / V / VI. For instance, listening to Choro Luoco from Patitucci's Communion, on the biggest ML's I could not discern the sax from the voices, whereas they appeared separately contoured and nicely layed out on the Dunlavys. OK, the Dunlavy's are phase coherent, and have better step response than most headphones, and even some amplifiers :).

 

Then, I still preferred dynamic speakers over the Quad ESL-2905, and also over ESL-63 + REL subs. I can understand the magic of the ESL-57, but I'd miss orchestral dynamic range and slam, even with good subs.

 

Better (hybrid) stat speakers may be JansZen, or PIO Sound speakers.

 

Maggies are not stats, and I'd likely choose JansZen over them anyway.

 

If you like Stax sound, try listening to - increasing order - Dunlavy (at least SC-IV), the bigger Harbeth, or JansZen speakers. You can also go exotic with Acapella horn speakers with the plasma tweeter (a bit too bright by default, but it is adjustable), or some of the Magico speakers, but the former get very close and are astronomic bargains in comparison, sounding very similar to my 007, except that speakers have much better sound stage at the expense of room and cabinet interactions.

 

In summary, for my taste stat technology doesn't scale well... it is [one of] the best tech for headphones, but I prefer good electrodynamic speakers ATM, when installed properly. It is possible that advanced materials will change my opinion in the future.

 

All IMHO and YMMV. And sorry for the off-topic.

post #1813 of 3315
I think electrostats spoiling you rotten against electrodynamics and isodynamics is a rule rather than an exception.

I think the comparatively few that go back are those that seek the higher distortion levels in bass that impart false slam/impact which might be more suitable to their preferences.

Others might be put off by the high budget requirements posited by many. With the notion that nothing less than a KGSSHV with a SR-007 would be worthwhile, they miss out on affordable options like the ESP950. On the amp side a SRM-717 or SRM-323S would be sufficient for many.

I just don't see (or hear) any other compelling reasons.

The treble (be it lack thereof or behavior) is the exact same reason I consider even the mighty HD 800, LCD-3 or TH-900 to be low-end garbage in relative terms.
Edited by 3X0 - 3/24/14 at 7:31am
post #1814 of 3315
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Originally Posted by milosz View Post

 

I wonder- are the other Stax fanatics also big fans of electrostatic speakers like I am?

 

I'm definitely like you.  I only listen to electrostatic headphones and loudspeakers. 

post #1815 of 3315
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Originally Posted by karlgerman View Post
 

Soundwise my 006t performs excellent. Comparing to the KGSS it has less power and this might be his problem

if you prefer hearing with higher loudnesslevels.

For my 007 Mk2 it is easy to reach the edge of distortion. Less probelm with the 009 or the 4040 lambda.

 

As i like to hear with lower levels it is very nice. The tubesound is also very enjoyable and more natural than my KGSS, especially if one use a 009 and Amarra as the player.

In terms of dynamic and punch the 006t is on the soft side.

 

Modern Staxamps have absolutely no backgroudnoise, no hum, no crackle, what makes for example the 006t very enjoyable at low levels.

Hmm, I have seen many posts about this subject. I use the SRM-717 driving the SR-007 Mk2.5s, and I have to say, it gets bloody loud and I don't hear any distortion.

 

I have an Audio Note M3 in front of the Stax amp, with the Stax set to avoid the volume knob, i.e. the Stax amp is full on class A power amp, and the volume is controlled by

the Audio Note pre amp, which I know pumps out 2v - 6v as required, and has a Transformer coupling on the output, so can handle high ohms output.

 

What I am finding (I think) is the input to the Stax amp is already quite high level, so maybe it helps the Stax to get a grip on the voltage swings?

Not sure. I tried missing out the pre amp and driving the Stax amp direct from my DAC but it sounded thin and weak.

 

The SRM-717 has no feedback, and I am told by some it sounds better than the 727 (which can be modded). Anyway, if you can get your hand on a good tubed pre amp

it might be worth you trying this. I don't fell the need for a BHSE. My tubed stages are down stream.

 

I know the BHSE and the KGSS have bigger voltage swings, but as I say, I am very happy right now. Plus I don't want even more valves to service and replace.... 

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