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post #1786 of 2793
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Can the SR-252 power the SR-407 to it's potential?  Also is the SR-407, Lambda pro level quality or is it way less?  What is the difference between 407 and the Lambda pro?

I'd go for the SR-207 instead. The higher SR-x07 headphones are supposed to be unbearably bright and harsh.

post #1787 of 2793
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

I'd go for the SR-207 instead. The higher SR-x07 headphones are supposed to be unbearably bright and harsh.

 

The SR-407 is neither bright nor harsh, at least not from the 006TS. Sounds absolutely beautiful and much better and smoother than all dynamics I've listened to thus far. 

post #1788 of 2793
307 is definitely bright and etched on T1, though not harsh
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You guys haven't answered my question.  I've heard Lambda pro is great value, and I was wondering which of the X07 is the same level as Lambda pro.  Also, so that means if the higher levels are brighter than the 207, I could be content with it until I do a leap to 007 or 009?

 

207 comes with a wimpy amp, does a better amp do it justice? 

 

Would the SR-252 under power the 407?

post #1790 of 2793
If I would buy new it'd be a 207 and srm323.

Without going further into why and such, the people in this thread and other Stax threads are infamous for not answering too many questions etc.
post #1791 of 2793

Question:

 

The SR-007 has reduced capacitance over lambdas, meaning the current required to avoid clipping at 20 kHz for a given volume is also less than lambdas.

 

Why then, is it said that the O2 'wants power more than anything'?

post #1792 of 2793
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

How can people find the 507's warm sounding, wtf?
It was never bright for me either, or cold/analytical. Lovely headphones and timbrically close to the 009. In fact the 009 are brighter (but never too bright). The only problem with the 507 is the monitor-like sound.
post #1793 of 2793
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

I'd go for the SR-207 instead. The higher SR-x07 headphones are supposed to be unbearably bright and harsh.
In all seriousness, why are all the new lambdas so bright? They are supposed to be the pinnacle of audio. Is this signature preferred in other parts of the world or something?
post #1794 of 2793
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post


In all seriousness, why are all the new lambdas so bright? They are supposed to be the pinnacle of audio. Is this signature preferred in other parts of the world or something?

 

They are. Listen to an HD 800 and then switch to a 407... it's a different level IMO. 

post #1795 of 2793
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

In all seriousness, why are all the new lambdas so bright? They are supposed to be the pinnacle of audio. Is this signature preferred in other parts of the world or something?
I think that by now it's pretty clear that some people find them bright and others don't. Some find them god aweful (especially many long time Stax heads) but coming from dynamics I feel that my 507 is fairly balanced and smooth. Having said that, if the 009 does share a similar tonality with the 507 but is a bit brighter, then I'm happy to stick with my 507 and 007. I love the 507, but if it were much brighter I probably wouldn't care for it as much.

PS I live in the US, and I don't think we're all treble heads wink.gif
Edited by mangler - 3/22/14 at 4:37pm
post #1796 of 2793

Got a cold... Talk about bright sound from my 307. And imbalance.. Sigh :(

 

It's funny how there are so many different opinions on the new x07 series. 

 

It's also interesting how some just swear to 'stats and others don't.

post #1797 of 2793
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Originally Posted by mangler View Post


I think that by now it's pretty clear that some people find them bright and others don't. Some find them god aweful (especially many long time Stax heads) but coming from dynamics I feel that my 507 is fairly balanced and smooth. Having said that, if the 009 does share a similar tonality with the 507 but is a bit brighter, then I'm happy to stick with my 507 and 007. I love the 507, but if it were much brighter I probably wouldn't care for it as much.

PS I live in the US, and I don't think we're all treble heads wink.gif

all very interesting.   I just wonder why everything seems to moving to a brighter signature.  all the new lambdas are on the bright side (to most).  the hd800 is notoriously bright.  Yet most of the current orthodynamic flagships are MUCH darker in comparison, and a LOT of people love them.  is this just different companies philosophies in sound production?

 

I suppose each technology has its strong points.  Orthos seem to rule the world of bass reproduction, but i have yet to hear one with good airy highs..  Stats are clear winners to me for airy highs and midrange, but the bass reproduction lacks.  (I've not spent any time with the top tier stax, so I know its different up there)

 

having said all that, I'm just trying to figure out why stax voices the current lambda line in the way that they do.  especially when most of us would (and do) choose discontinued lambda models over the current lineup.  Shouldn't they try to reproduce the characteristics of their best models, then make them better from there?

post #1798 of 2793
It's been discussed a few times and there are different suppositions that can be made:

1. More forward voicing to have a more engaging sound which helps with in-store auditions against competing dynamics and other orthos.

2. A bi-product of a search toward ever more efficient / easy to drive & transparent transducers. People in the dyi arena are happy with much thicker milar films and wider spacers than Stax is using with its most recent offerings apparently. As has been often said, amps are the weak knee if stax products as competing offerings don't need such energizers. Stax sells almost at a loss per some of the mafia's allegations and the product follow strict weight and budget constraints. Stax hence has much interest in releasing easier to driver earspeakers.

3. A change in taste / hearing of the people involved in the voicing of products. From my discussions with them, it's not just one person who calls the shots but the panel is certainly made of similar experience long time stax staff.
post #1799 of 2793

thank you for a well written response.  I apologize if I brought up something thats been covered at length. 

post #1800 of 2793
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Originally Posted by zolkis View Post
But this post is about the SR-007 Mk1....The first revelation came when I made the headbands shape similar to that of the 507, i.e. flatter in the middle, the leather headband almost touching the metal bands. Then, set the angle of the drivers from the ends of the metal headbands, to follow the head and ensure even and the right amount of pressure around the ear.

 

.....I think it is impossible to review the 007 Mk1 properly, unless the reviewer takes the time to properly adjust and personalize the 007.

I've previously done the  "bending the front arc" tweak to reduce the front of pad pressure, but what's the purpose of flattening the top of the arcs? If it's to reduce the overall pad pressure, then I imagine that's only applicable for "big headed" people - I find the default arc setup already gives me a fairly loose fit.  

 

BTW, I tried rotating the spring as you have done. Sound seemed to change, but not conclusive as to what's best, so for the moment it's back to pointing to the seam. I guess this is more significant with the foam change

 

Finally, have you tried damping the arcs? As per edstrelow's thread.

 

I agree with your last point, particularly for those who find the 007's too dark or lacking bass impact. These types of changes do open it up nicely. However, all this flexibility is a double edged sword for the impatient: It's great that you can tweak it to sound brilliant, but it's also a drag that you have to tweak it to sound brilliant.

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