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^Cant help you there...
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LOL.

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So I've been wanting to buy one more expensive piece of audio equipment before I start saving for college. Since I likely won't bring my speakers with me on residence and am only going to use headphones, it would only be logical to upgrade my headphone rig. I think that I want to build a seperate Stax setup to compliment my HE-400 + JDS Labs O2 combination. I am looking at spending $1000 at the most and I've been wanting to give electrostatics a try. I'm specifically looking at pairing the SR-307 and the SRM-252S with my Audioquest Dragonfly as the DAC. How would this combination sound? I'm looking for something with a great midrange, lots of air and instrumental seperation (but not bright), and textured bass. Kind of like a slightly brighter, more airy, HD-650. Perhaps I would be better off with the Koss ESP950 system, but I want to use a Stax amp because it provides a nice upgrade path if I end up falling in love with electrostatics. Could you guys or girls please tell me what you think?

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Originally Posted by ToddTheMetalGod View Post
 

So I've been wanting to buy one more expensive piece of audio equipment before I start saving for college. Since I likely won't bring my speakers with me on residence and am only going to use headphones, it would only be logical to upgrade my headphone rig. I think that I want to build a seperate Stax setup to compliment my HE-400 + JDS Labs O2 combination. I am looking at spending $1000 at the most and I've been wanting to give electrostatics a try. I'm specifically looking at pairing the SR-307 and the SRM-252S with my Audioquest Dragonfly as the DAC. How would this combination sound? I'm looking for something with a great midrange, lots of air and instrumental seperation (but not bright), and textured bass. Kind of like a slightly brighter, more airy, HD-650. Perhaps I would be better off with the Koss ESP950 system, but I want to use a Stax amp because it provides a nice upgrade path if I end up falling in love with electrostatics. Could you guys or girls please tell me what you think?

Go with the ESPs for sure. They'll be more of what you're used to with the HD6x0, except it's a stat, so you get all of their inherent qualities without the brightness of the SR-307. They also have the potential to scale up when used with a better stat amp (such as the SRM-323S). Wait a bit on eBay and you can probably get one that goes for cheap. 

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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Go with the ESPs for sure. They'll be more of what you're used to with the HD6x0, except it's a stat, so you get all of their inherent qualities without the brightness of the SR-307. They also have the potential to scale up when used with a better stat amp (such as the SRM-323S). Wait a bit on eBay and you can probably get one that goes for cheap. 


Thanks for the response :). So where would I get a reterminated cable for use with a better stat amp? Which do you think out of the ESP and the SR-307 has the more euphoric, "natural" midrange? I can get one for $900 shipped out by Amazon, that wouldn't be too bad (I live in Canada, I'm not sure how this affects pricing). Also, I've heard a lot of bad things about the stock E90 amp sound quality and it's sort of scared me away from the Koss'.

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ESP-950 sounds nothing like the HD6x0. But I would agree with something else other than the 307. The ESP-950 is a more fun and musical sounding approach where the Stax excels in technicalities of sound. 

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Thanks for the response :). So where would I get a reterminated cable for use with a better stat amp? Which do you think out of the ESP and the SR-307 has the more euphoric, "natural" midrange? I can get one for $900 shipped out by Amazon, that wouldn't be too bad (I live in Canada, I'm not sure how this affects pricing). Also, I've heard a lot of bad things about the stock E90 amp sound quality and it's sort of scared me away from the Koss'.

The stock amp will do if you have nothing else but it's nothing special. The only downside to the ESP-950 is reliability. They tend to emit problems out of the blue from channel imbalance to driver squealing both of which you would need to send back to Koss to have it fixed backed by the lifetime warranty.

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ESP-950 sounds nothing like the HD6x0. But I would agree with something else other than the 307. The ESP-950 is a more fun and musical sounding approach where the Stax excels in technicalities of sound. 


Thanks for the help. I think I'm going to go with the Stax setup, because my HE-400's are already a fun headphone for me and I'm looking for something that can produce a lot of subtle detail. That sounds like most of the descriptions I've read about Stax headphones.

post #1629 of 3287

Well, the sr307 is bright and etched, or at least that's what I heard from a short audition.

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Originally Posted by ToddTheMetalGod View Post
 


Thanks for the response :). So where would I get a reterminated cable for use with a better stat amp? Which do you think out of the ESP and the SR-307 has the more euphoric, "natural" midrange? I can get one for $900 shipped out by Amazon, that wouldn't be too bad (I live in Canada, I'm not sure how this affects pricing). Also, I've heard a lot of bad things about the stock E90 amp sound quality and it's sort of scared me away from the Koss'.

 

I had both the ESP-950's and the SR-307's at the same time and for several months; I vastly prefer the ESP950's. No, they 950's were not quite as detailed as the 307's but they are better in just about every other way. 950's has a far more natural sound ... better sound stage, better and more believable 3D imaging (really almost speaker like) ... and plenty of detail to be a very immersive listenen. I found the SR-307's to sound very "hard" in the midrange ... to the point that it really bugged me and could even be very fatiguing with certain sorts of music. Odd because one typically things of "fatigue" arising from the  high frequencies, but with the 307's ... it came from a very hard, etched sounding mid range. Couldn't get past it. The 950's don't suffer from this at all (or at least not enough to be bothersome).

 

The 950's are also the most comfortable headphone I've ever owned (I've since sold the SR-307's and kept the 950's) ... feather light on your head and I tend to forget I'm even wearing them some times ... 

 

But back to Lambdas ... I've recently bought a pair of SR-404 Limited Editions and they are night and day compared to the SR-307's ... the 404LE's are much more on par with the 950's ... really sort of like a 950's smoothness but with classic, Stax micro detail retrieval and none of the harshness that I found in the 307's ... 

 

Also, the stock 950's amp is quite decent if you ask me. I had it side by side with my Stax SRM323S amp and found the 323S to be only marginally better to my ear. I consider the 950 amp a great insurance policy to have on the shelf should I ever have to fall back on it.

 

I've owned all sorts of cans ... GS1000's, various Stax amps, my roommates have Beyer T1's and LCD3's ... and by far (if you can handle the routine maintenance that seems to plague many users) ... the Koss 950 kit is one of the best deals under the sun. Even with my new 404LE's ... I still listen mostly to the Koss cans as I still find the speaker like 3D imaging to be better than the over all presentation of the 404LE's ...

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Originally Posted by ToddTheMetalGod View Post
 


Thanks for the response :). So where would I get a reterminated cable for use with a better stat amp? Which do you think out of the ESP and the SR-307 has the more euphoric, "natural" midrange? I can get one for $900 shipped out by Amazon, that wouldn't be too bad (I live in Canada, I'm not sure how this affects pricing). Also, I've heard a lot of bad things about the stock E90 amp sound quality and it's sort of scared me away from the Koss'.

The Koss amp is inexpensively made, but in my A/B tests it is nearly as good sounding as the various Stax amps I've tried my ESP-950's on. I don't think it's cost effective to re-cable the ESP-950's AND buy a Stax amp just to get 10% better sound.  Now, if you ALREADY HAD some Stax amp(s) then, sure, get the cable changed.  But you're not going to get THAT big of a sound quality boost for the ~$600  or more it will cost to recable the ESP-950's and buy a Stax amp.

 

Spend the money on girls instead.  You can always buy loads of exotic hifi gear when you're an old man.  But when you're a geezer- getting the chicks... well, not so much. 


Edited by milosz - 3/4/14 at 4:32am
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I know these kind of questions are rather annoying, but how much does a srm-006 fetch these days?

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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post
 

 

I had both the ESP-950's and the SR-307's at the same time and for several months; I vastly prefer the ESP950's. No, they 950's were not quite as detailed as the 307's but they are better in just about every other way. 950's has a far more natural sound ... better sound stage, better and more believable 3D imaging (really almost speaker like) ... and plenty of detail to be a very immersive listenen. I found the SR-307's to sound very "hard" in the midrange ... to the point that it really bugged me and could even be very fatiguing with certain sorts of music. Odd because one typically things of "fatigue" arising from the  high frequencies, but with the 307's ... it came from a very hard, etched sounding mid range. Couldn't get past it. The 950's don't suffer from this at all (or at least not enough to be bothersome).

 

The 950's are also the most comfortable headphone I've ever owned (I've since sold the SR-307's and kept the 950's) ... feather light on your head and I tend to forget I'm even wearing them some times ... 

 

But back to Lambdas ... I've recently bought a pair of SR-404 Limited Editions and they are night and day compared to the SR-307's ... the 404LE's are much more on par with the 950's ... really sort of like a 950's smoothness but with classic, Stax micro detail retrieval and none of the harshness that I found in the 307's ... 

 

Also, the stock 950's amp is quite decent if you ask me. I had it side by side with my Stax SRM323S amp and found the 323S to be only marginally better to my ear. I consider the 950 amp a great insurance policy to have on the shelf should I ever have to fall back on it.

 

I've owned all sorts of cans ... GS1000's, various Stax amps, my roommates have Beyer T1's and LCD3's ... and by far (if you can handle the routine maintenance that seems to plague many users) ... the Koss 950 kit is one of the best deals under the sun. Even with my new 404LE's ... I still listen mostly to the Koss cans as I still find the speaker like 3D imaging to be better than the over all presentation of the 404LE's ...

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Originally Posted by milosz View Post
 

The Koss amp is inexpensively made, but in my A/B tests it is nearly as good sounding as the various Stax amps I've tried my ESP-950's on. I don't think it's cost effective to re-cable the ESP-950's AND buy a Stax amp just to get 10% better sound.  Now, if you ALREADY HAD some Stax amp(s) then, sure, get the cable changed.  But you're not going to get THAT big of a sound quality boost for the ~$600  or more it will cost to recable the ESP-950's and buy a Stax amp.

 

Spend the money on girls instead.  You can always buy loads of exotic hifi gear when you're an old man.  But when you're a geezer- getting the chicks... well, not so much. 

 

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'm going to go for the ESP950. Even if the Stax are more detailed, I would probably prefer the Koss for their more natural sound.

post #1634 of 3287
I'm sad I didn't grab the near-NOS Sigma Pro from Audiogon last night. $1000 is about the going rate for them right?

Might as well wait it out for a SR-007 near that price level.
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I'm sad I didn't grab the near-NOS Sigma Pro from Audiogon last night. $1000 is about the going rate for them right?
 

 

$1000 is actually high for them. 

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