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post #1546 of 2119

Am I daft for not really digging either SR-007 that much? They sound too much like the JH13 (non-FP) I have and don't confer enough of the qualities I've come to appreciate from other electrostats (namely a level of astonishingly high resolution).

 

I have heard them from the likes of formidable energizers such as the modified SRM-727, KGSSHV and Liquid Silk. They pleased me but didn't really knock my socks off.

 

Is it one of those headphones that you need to spend more time to appreciate how little they do wrong, or am I justified in thinking they're overrated?


Edited by 3X0 - 2/19/14 at 5:27pm
post #1547 of 2119

I was never a full fledged fan of the SR007s (Mk1, Mk2 or Mk2.5), but I had only heard them on Stax amps (like the 323S, SRM727II and SRM007). Then I got to hear them on a KGSS and I thought: "wow, this is what the fuss is all about". That was a few years ago, I've since bought them (Mk1) and with my KGSSHV/BDA-2 they are delightful. I still prefer my SR-009s, but these along with my LCD-X / GS-X Mk2 are my second most reached headphones.

post #1548 of 2119

Recently picked up a very minty set of SR-404 Limited Editions ...

 

Prior to getting the 404's, I listened to Koss 950's 99% of the time and some SR-307's 1% of the time (vastly preferred the Koss stats over the SR-307) ,...

 

But the 404LE's blow them both away. Man, super sweet Lambdas ... the 307's are simply not even comparable and sound etched and hard and narrow in comparison ...

 

The Koss ESP-950's are similar to the 404LE's ... especially in the bass department ... but ultimately I enjoy the 404LE's bass better and also, the 404's smoke the 950's in regards to detail, separation and high frequency retrieval. 

 

Sold the 307's immediately after getting the 404LE's and keeping the Koss 950's as shelved back ups.

 

Really surprised at how smooth, fun and resolving the 404LE's are, though. Worth every penny. Glad to say that the can search is over for now ... at least in the Lambda dept. 

 

;-)

post #1549 of 2119

I loved the 404LE when I had them, a real bargain and superb sound  beyond any Stax I'd had before.

I've since sold them and moved up to the 009/BHSE but the 404LE really are special.

Enjoy

post #1550 of 2119
It's nice to hear some positive things about the Mk2. Usually you hear something like "Mk1 or go home", which can give the impression that the Mk2 are no good, and seemingly dismissed as garbage. But they're actually wonderful, IMHO of course. I love mine, and even though they are under powered and not at their full potential, I find them far more engrossing and romantic than any other headphone I've ever heard (mostly LCD2, sr-507, TH600, AKG 550...not as many or as high of quality as the ones many here have owned/tried, but these are still respectable and well loved headphones). They're not as "creamy" as the LCD2 or as transparent as the 507, but they do something for me the others do not. I do have to say that at first I was underwhelmed, but given time to adjust to the sound (2 weeks for me) when I now lay back and go through a favorite album, I feel submerged. I'm sure they're not as balanced as the Mk1, but I don't mind some color if it's pleasant . I should probably also say I'd been looking for a headphone to relax with at the end of he day, so I actually appreciate the laid back nature of the 007. Maybe this will change with better amplification, but I can always switch amps depending on my mood. Anyway, I guess that's my 2 (inexperienced) cents.
Edited by mangler - 2/19/14 at 8:39pm
post #1551 of 2119
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

I was never a full fledged fan of the SR007s (Mk1, Mk2 or Mk2.5), but I had only heard them on Stax amps (like the 323S, SRM727II and SRM007). Then I got to hear them on a KGSS and I thought: "wow, this is what the fuss is all about". That was a few years ago, I've since bought them (Mk1) and with my KGSSHV/BDA-2 they are delightful. I still prefer my SR-009s, but these along with my LCD-X / GS-X Mk2 are my second most reached headphones.

Pete,

 

In your estimate, how much better is the 009 versus the 007 mk1 ? Making budget plans :biggrin: and that must include a KGSSHV 

post #1552 of 2119
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

I was never a full fledged fan of the SR007s (Mk1, Mk2 or Mk2.5), but I had only heard them on Stax amps (like the 323S, SRM727II and SRM007). Then I got to hear them on a KGSS and I thought: "wow, this is what the fuss is all about". That was a few years ago, I've since bought them (Mk1) and with my KGSSHV/BDA-2 they are delightful. I still prefer my SR-009s, but these along with my LCD-X / GS-X Mk2 are my second most reached headphones.

 

MacedonianHero, on an imaginary scale, from 0 to 100, how close do you think the LCD-X is to the SR-009 as a headphone. I know this is kind of a silly question :p (I guess I could mean in whatever qualities to you make an ideal headphone).

post #1553 of 2119
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Originally Posted by mangler View Post

It's nice to hear some positive things about the Mk2. Usually you hear something like "Mk1 or go home", which can give the impression that the Mk2 are no good, and seemingly dismissed as garbage. But they're actually wonderful, IMHO of course. I love mine, and even though they are under powered and not at their full potential, I find them far more engrossing and romantic than any other headphone I've ever heard...

. I'm sure they're not as balanced as the Mk1, but I don't mind some color if it's pleasant.

Agree! The MK2 or even MK2.5 are still excellent phones and you are not the first to like them even more than the MK1 because of their coloration. When I stated that they are boomy I was just saying that in relation to the MK1 or even the 009. They are still never Grado style boomy but a rather transparent and yes a bit warm window into the music.
post #1554 of 2119
Quote:3X0
 

Am I daft for not really digging either SR-007 that much? They sound too much like the JH13 (non-FP) I have and don't confer enough of the qualities I've come to appreciate from other electrostats (namely a level of astonishingly high resolution).

 

I have heard them from the likes of formidable energizers such as the modified SRM-727, KGSSHV and Liquid Silk. They pleased me but didn't really knock my socks off.

 

Is it one of those headphones that you need to spend more time to appreciate how little they do wrong, or am I justified in thinking they're overrated?

The biggest problem in comparing headphones is this habit of swapping from one straight to the next.

Comparing the Senn HE60 to the Stax SR007 Mk1 on a KGSS, I find the HE60 totally addictive and put the Stax to the sice when comparing one straight after the other.

 

After listening to the HE60, I need at least 3 songs with just the Mk1 to realise how much more musical and overall superior they are to the HE60.

 

This also works for other headphone comparisons.

 

The takeaway line here is to listen to one for a good while before swapping to the next.

post #1555 of 2119
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

 
The biggest problem in comparing headphones is this habit of swapping from one straight to the next.
Comparing the Senn HE60 to the Stax SR007 Mk1 on a KGSS, I find the HE60 totally addictive and put the Stax to the sice when comparing one straight after the other.

After listening to the HE60, I need at least 3 songs with just the Mk1 to realise how much more musical and overall superior they are to the HE60.

This also works for other headphone comparisons.

The takeaway line here is to listen to one for a good while before swapping to the next.
While I can sympathize with this sentiment, it took me all of fifteen seconds to realize that the SR-007 was glossing over a finer nuance of a track I am very familiar with that both the SR-Omega and SR-009 rendered distinctly.

I am not saying that the detail was made more forward on the latter two, but rather that the SR-007 just missed it. My JH13s are unable to audibly reproduce the same tick, though I can't remember whether HD 800s could. I'm not sure if meet conditions could have played a factor as I was able to compare in the same environment to confirm the suspicion.

In this case I am not just talking about flavors but rather technical merits. I heard the SR-007Mk1 several years prior with the SRM-717 and had mixed impressions, but extensive reading since then has certainly hyped up the unit for me perhaps to unrealistic levels. Relative to at least its circular SR brethren, resolution did not seem to be the SR-007's strong suit.
Edited by 3X0 - 2/20/14 at 6:56am
post #1556 of 2119
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Originally Posted by wink View Post
 

The biggest problem in comparing headphones is this habit of swapping from one straight to the next.

+1

 

However perfect a particular headphone may be, it will always appear be be lacking in something or other when directly compared to another headphone that has a hyped up something or other.   

post #1557 of 2119
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post

+1

However perfect a particular headphone may be, it will always appear be be lacking in something or other when directly compared to another headphone that has a hyped up something or other.   
I think this is especially true if your comparing it to a headphone you've been living with for a long time
post #1558 of 2119
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

What genres?  It's good to see someone actually likes the MK2s for something.

Mainly fun genres such as oldschool Rap and some sub genres of EDM, I do like mid-bass but only on genres and tracks that I like it on. The same applies to the MK1 which are more superior if you listen to neutral or natural oriented genres such as jazz, vocal oriented, classical and certain rock.

 

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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post
 

Am I daft for not really digging either SR-007 that much? They sound too much like the JH13 (non-FP) I have and don't confer enough of the qualities I've come to appreciate from other electrostats (namely a level of astonishingly high resolution).

 

I have heard them from the likes of formidable energizers such as the modified SRM-727, KGSSHV and Liquid Silk. They pleased me but didn't really knock my socks off.

 

Is it one of those headphones that you need to spend more time to appreciate how little they do wrong, or am I justified in thinking they're overrated?

Maybe you just like tilt towards brighter sound signature headphones. No hyperbole's involved but the O2 transforms once powered by a good amp. Your 323S would be 1/2 decent with driving the O2's should you ever consider it.

 

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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post
 

Recently picked up a very minty set of SR-404 Limited Editions ...

 

......

 

Really surprised at how smooth, fun and resolving the 404LE's are, though. Worth every penny. Glad to say that the can search is over for now ... at least in the Lambda dept. 

 

;-)

 

The 404 LE are the last modern Lambda's to carry some traits of the old vintage Lambda lineup so they are half decent at least compared to the better Lambda's out there. 

 

Do note that your search and journey has just started, no where near ending it, a good percentage of Stax user's usually find there end game with the O2 or 009's. Just saying. ;) 


Edited by DefQon - 2/20/14 at 2:27pm
post #1559 of 2119
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

Pete,

 

In your estimate, how much better is the 009 versus the 007 mk1 ? Making budget plans :biggrin: and that must include a KGSSHV 

If you're asking me are the SR-009s worth the price increase over the 007Mk1s, I'm gonna have to say yes. :smile:

 

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Originally Posted by jackskelly View Post
 

 

MacedonianHero, on an imaginary scale, from 0 to 100, how close do you think the LCD-X is to the SR-009 as a headphone. I know this is kind of a silly question :p (I guess I could mean in whatever qualities to you make an ideal headphone).

I think the LCD-X / GS-X Mk2 and SR-007Mk1 / KGSSHV are very competitive actually...but the SR-009s are a cut above both to my ears.

 

Just my 2 cents...


Edited by MacedonianHero - 2/20/14 at 6:06pm
post #1560 of 2119

Can someone confirm the SR404 cable is in fact a brown one. I am in need of a replacement brown one that won't break the bank for a project.( yep has to be brown ) I'll do some more image searches.

Electromod UK has them described as both black and brown same listing, and one of those ambiguous pics. Now the obvious question: why not email them. Will do so now.

 Thanks a bunch.

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