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post #16 of 345
There are people who love music, people who love gear, and people who love both. In case you didn't know, there's a forum called GearSlutz where self-professed "recording engineers" spend all their time talking/arguing about and lusting after nice gear instead of making music, which is the whole point of having that gear in the first place.

 

For me personally, it's all about the music. Good music is music that moves you no matter what gear it's playing on. One of the most profound experiences in my life was the first time I heard my favourite song - in a store, on the radio, playing out of a tinny mono speaker - pretty much the crappiest audio quality scenario possible. Yet it was enough to restore my faith in humanity. That's real music.

 

On the other hand there is crappy but well-recorded music that only sounds good on high end equipment. I must admit that I've been guilty of thinking "hey, this actually sounds pretty good, for once" when playing boring music-- tracks that I would normally skip--on my decent gear. That doesn't make it good music, but music is meant to be enjoyed, and if nice gear helps me to expand/increase my enjoyment of music that I wouldn't normally enjoy, that's never a bad thing.

post #17 of 345

You can appreciate high quality products and high-fidelity playback while still being a genuine music lover, but I have to admit I've seen a lot of people who attribute most of the improvements to the sound of the hardware, talking solely of the devices and hardly ever talking about music. Although audiophilia in itself isn't a paraphilia, it resembles a weird sort of an obsession that goes beyond the point of the actual purpose of the audio playback hardware, in my opinion that is.

Reminds me of a moment when I was walking in a store, when a nearly classic, melancholic Finnish love song played through radio from store speakers, I lifted my eye from the shelves when I noticed a girl few meters away from me lip syncing the song quietly. As I turned to look at the hallway I noticed four different people staring at the shelves and searching for products, unaware of each other, all lip syncing the lyrics about love and beauty. Even though the store speaker closest to me was broken and buzzing, I couldn't help tearing up. It was one of the strongest emotional responses I've ever gotten from music, in a country where people are a bit stern and shy it was very touching to see people so vulnerable and genuine in public.

So yes, I would say most audiophiles do like music. Music is just a very personal experience that is difficult to quantify or generalize, and (subjective) audio forums are all about trying to get a good comprehension (of hardware, mostly) by gathering enough data to create an accurate average generalization of the public consensus. Music taste then again varies exponentially more, even within people who like several similar bands, I've found. So it's more difficult to talk about music, which might be why many don't. Nonetheless, if you see someone getting a stiffy because they got a new interconnect, or if someone won't shut up about audio enhancing stones, you're likely dealing with a person who is in it less for the sake of music and more so for the sake of bragging rights/self-suggested illusion and shopper craze.

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Reminds me of a moment when I was walking in a store, when a nearly classic, melancholic Finnish love song played through radio from store speakers, I lifted my eye from the shelves when I noticed a girl few meters away from me lip syncing the song quietly. As I turned to look at the hallway I noticed four different people staring at the shelves and searching for products, unaware of each other, all lip syncing the lyrics about love and beauty. Even though the store speaker closest to me was broken and buzzing, I couldn't help tearing up. It was one of the strongest emotional responses I've ever gotten from music, in a country where people are a bit stern and shy it was very touching to see people so vulnerable and genuine in public.

 

Care to share what the song was? I'm always interested in good music regardless of language. In my collection I have Spanish, Russian, Chinese, French, Korean, Italian, English... Finnish would be an interesting addition :)
Edited by blueangel2323 - 8/19/13 at 10:29am
post #19 of 345

I think ALL audiophiles love music, but some just love it in different ways. I myself am 50/50 between the music and the gear, but I want the gear to help me hear the music as I want to, so in the end it all just comes back to the music.

post #20 of 345
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Care to share what the song was? I'm always interested in good music regardless of language. In my collection I have Spanish, Russian, Chinese, French, Korean, Italian, English... Finnish would be an interesting addition :)


(Some Finns are going to sack me for calling it a nearly classic) Happoradio - Puhu äänellä jonka kuulen. I can attempt translating the lyrics via PM if you're interested.

post #21 of 345
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

There are people who love music, people who love gear, and people who love both. In case you didn't know, there's a forum called GearSlutz where self-professed "recording engineers" spend all their time talking/arguing about and lusting after nice gear instead of making music, which is the whole point of having that gear in the first place.

 

For me personally, it's all about the music. Good music is music that moves you no matter what gear it's playing on. One of the most profound experiences in my life was the first time I heard my favourite song - in a store, on the radio, playing out of a tinny mono speaker - pretty much the crappiest audio quality scenario possible. Yet it was enough to restore my faith in humanity. That's real music.

 

On the other hand there is crappy but well-recorded music that only sounds good on high end equipment. I must admit that I've been guilty of thinking "hey, this actually sounds pretty good, for once" when playing boring music-- tracks that I would normally skip--on my decent gear. That doesn't make it good music, but music is meant to be enjoyed, and if nice gear helps me to expand/increase my enjoyment of music that I wouldn't normally enjoy, that's never a bad thing.

Ya I have to agree. There are some people where I will play something and all they can say is man that sounds good...not I like the music.  But than there are those other people where I will play something through my crappy computer speakers and they will start to rock out to the music even though you can't even really hear the base line in it.  

post #22 of 345

There are certainly a LOT of people who like music, and are not picky about how it sounds, liking the lyrics, or beat or whatever they like.

 

There are people who make a hobby of music reproduction, spreading the gamut of setting up an iPod speaker to buying extremely high end audio equipment. Most feel happy with the results.

 

There are people who like to tinker and build/mod their gear, a lot. These people end up with gear they are happy with, or not, and start over.

 

There are snobs, who are driven to get expensive gear, and delight in other peoples appreciation of their gear.  Some even like the sound/music.  I would call these gear-o-philes. They are always needing to improve something in their system.

 

There is a difference between a "music-phile" and an audiophile though.  My wife loves music, and strives to listen to what she likes whenever possible.  I feel that a well setup/balanced system presents music in a "better" way, bringing more enjoyment from the listening.  Is the enjoyment a result of the time/money obtaining and setting up the gear, perhaps.  I just know that the same music on my man-cave system elicits more emotion and enjoyment that my AV system playing the same music.

 

I have fallen sway to the DIY crowd though, and have enjoyed building several pieces, and am planning more things to build.  Different, but parallel hobby.  I also agree with others here that there are different ways to listen to music 1) back ground music to reading or websurfing, or running  2) critical listening when evaluating the system, or a recent change  3) Listening to music with nothing else going on, just for the enjoyment of the music.

 

My answer : Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms.

post #23 of 345
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Good stuff everyone.

 

Thanks, now go fix all those boneheads with the gas guzzling pick-up trucks and ATVs and HumVees! :) Sorry, I'm having trouble picking just ONE album. Can I pick 100?
post #24 of 345

I don't understand OP's question, and he's basing all "audiophile" is from a single youtube video? Did you judge how we all do with our gear from that single random video and your biased opinion of a single aspect of what people's seek in an audio gear ("the singer is there")

post #25 of 345
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I don't understand OP's question, and he's basing all "audiophile" is from a single youtube video? Did you judge how we all do with our gear from that single random video and your biased opinion of a single aspect of what people's seek in an audio gear ("the singer is there")

I'm not too sure either.
What is the point he is trying to make?

We have a lot of gear, therefore we don't like music?

I find the question a bit insulting.

I know a guy who owns lots of camera gear, should we assume he is not really interested in photography?
post #26 of 345

What quality you wanna hear Darkness On The Edge Of Town...? i got the normal flac version and downloading the 24 bit version right now...:)
 

post #27 of 345

Some interesting thoughts OP.

 

Hope you don't mind - but rather than requoting the lot - I'd rather just comment on a few passages from your original post .......

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Basically, it appears that audiophiles don't actually like music - as in the music itself.  

 

You're making a pretty big assumption here.  Have you thought that maybe the large majority of people on here are enthusiasts rather than actual audiophiles - and many of us are actually simply music lovers?

 

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I'm sorry, but you could spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a system and you may be hearing Nora Jones' voice as if she were in the room.  But at the end of the day its....Nora Jones.  I use her as an example, not that I dislike her specifically, but she screams of that sterile, boring, reference point voice.  (Here is a woman singing a song.  My system replicates that better than yours).  It is like the music is one variable in a long equation.

 

biggrin.gif.  Actually I'm an unabashed Nora fan.  Suggest you get past the "Come Away With Me" album (not one of my favourites), and delve deeper.  "The Fall" is really quite excellent IMHO, and even "Little Broken Hearts" highlights her versatility.   And if you want something totally off the wall - try the album "Rome" by Danger Mouse & Daniele Luppi (features Nora on a few tracks).  The whole album is brilliant.

 

Your other point is interesting - but maybe you're missing the other side.  As a music lover, and with a simple set-up like an HD600 and LD MKIV I've had moments listening to a particular recording where suddenly I've been transported into the crowd during a live performance (Loreena McKennit's "Live In Paris and Toronto" is one such album).  When it becomes so real, and it's a piece of music you absolutely connect with - that 'wow' moment is truly special.

 

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Originally Posted by dosprompt View Post

Now, I am sure this is what the response (if any) to this will be.  "This is a forum about equipment, not about music. 

 

I'm pretty sure for a great many of us - it's very much about the music.  Playing with the gear to try and get a particular presentation is fun (and here is the enthusiast side I guess) - and leads to on-line interaction and debate (this is a forum after all).  I truly enjoy the banter on-line, and the chance to discuss gear.  But the threads I check pretty much every day are in the music forum - especially the "what are you listening to now" and other threads.  It's where I've discovered a great many new artists - and continue to expand my collection.

 

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I don't feel the love for music here.

 

Then may I suggest that you don't limit yourself to the equipment forums wink.gif.  By doing so you're actually missing out on a lot.

 

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BONUS QUESTION - Is there one album that you would willingly sacrifice your entire system for if the alternative was never listening to that album again?  If so what is it?

 

First let me say that whilst my system is pretty modest, I genuinely hope to get to an HD800 set-up someday.  Not for the 'prestige' or anything else - just simply because I think they may suit my listening preferences.  An interesting point for you is that I'll buy the HD800 when I can afford it -  might take me another 12-18 months.  But in that time I will have likely spent 1500-2000 dollars on music (I've probably spent at least that - and far more on music than gear in the last two years).  I think this says a lot.

 

And to your bonus question - I couldn't choose one album (admittedly maybe 40-50% of my collection I could easily live without) - but there would also be a couple of hundred albums that I would really miss.  And it would truly be hard to narrow it to one only.  It would be like asking a family man (which incidentally I am) to pick his most loved child.  If you're a parent - you'll understand.

post #28 of 345
I have to admit, at first I checked the music others were rocking , but nowadays I find it really unappealing... I remember someone posting a video of alt-j and got the album immediately. Most of the reviews are focused of how music sounds but not what is sounding.
You can probably say we're gear slut s to some extend, I have more headphones I could ever destroy and I'm happy about them...
This is a message to remind all of us to focus also in music and not only gear.
post #29 of 345

Being an audiophile started for many maybe hearing the Beatles play on an AM radio with a 3 inch speaker.

 

 

Many kids saw the neighbors BigDad rig next door. Still it's just like car racing in the end. Some like to drive the cars, some like to build the cars and some like to design the cars.

post #30 of 345
Music is such a special and wonderous invention, it seems a waste to glaze over it with a bee-in-a-box system. The devices i own (and wish to own) bring greater depth and meaning to the artistry of others allowing me a small glimpse into their world and an escape from mine.
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