I still don't think you make any sense with noise = music.
It's just not right.
So far I've proven you wrong.
Like we said before, so if that is music, then farting is also music, how about car noise, or any noise, it's also music. I mean seriously, lets all just yell, and call it music.
Oh and then call us musicians, yea!
I'm afraid the only thing you have proven is your ignorance.
The breadth and depth of what is and what could be considered music is vast. Fine artists and musicians have developed, experimented and challenged the notions of what art and music is and what it can be.
As in fine art, musicians have explored the abstract and looked beyond traditional confines. From Classical to Jazz to Industrial musicians have experimented with sound and looked for new ways to express themselves.
The use of 'Found Object/sound' music has a long history and it's influence on the use of sampled sound has been quite profound, from Stockhausen to Nine Inch Nails.
Can anyone arrange sounds and call it music, yes. Do you have to like it, no. Do you have call them musicians, that's really up to you and the connection you make with the sounds they produce.
The thing is people like you are never going to open their minds to other possibilities and you know what, that's fine. Enjoy what you like. The problem I and others have had is your dogmatic and absolutist notions of what music and art is and what it should be. I'm sorry to break it to you but the world has moved on.
Edited by MrQ - 10/2/13 at 1:05pm