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post #466 of 910

I have to agree with your point of view. Westone has potential and expertise to put out good products but maybe the current marketing trend has blind sight them. I think there is one thing that the Pro 50 excels is movie, I enjoyed, but $650 is alot of money just for one purpose that many cheaper products can do just as well.

 

I never get this more driver is better trend AKA the driver race. The more drivers and crossover networks make it harder to incorporates them seamlessly, not to mention the crossover make the IEM less efficient and harder to drive (in general). Tannoy is a very successful brand, and their history has proved simple is better. I wondering who is the OEM for those BA drivers on the market sometimes.

post #467 of 910

I have to agree with both of you there. I just felt my W4r is just so much better than the UM Pro 50 (although with Silver Dragon Mk2 upgrade, it still shouldn't be this much different). To be honest, I have felt that the W line has always had higher quality than the UM line, both SQ and build quality wise. I can understand how ppl like the UM more for its supposed stronger bass thought.

 

This is reflected in how much more I liked the ES5's bass, is it used the same 1 big bass driver design (just that the impedance is lower and overall SQ much better than typical UM, better than the W4)

 

If you were in HK, you really should try to demo the iems before buying them. There are many stores in Mong Kog that let you demo them. You know the place that go underground near the computer centre (toward the MTR), one of the store has universally fitted ciems for demoing. I demoed the ES5 and JH16 there

 

The other building across the Hollywood shopping centre "星際" has a lot more iems to demo. I demoed all the other iems including the UM Pros here.

 

星際 also have shops to fit your 2 pin cables to the new MMCX westone useable head for around HK$250.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by majedelamine View Post


Amazingly Head-fi deleted it. If i was not a mature grown up I would have said its a conspiracy. Anyway, here it is:
Within 4 months(october 2013 till february 2014) I purchased over 5000 usd portable audiophile items. However the last purchase was indeed the Westone Universal Flag ship (at that time). W60 is not released yet.

So what makes it the best purchase for me? If my average spending was 1250 USD per month, my purchase of UM Pro 50 has saved me 2500 USD till now and counting, because it was due to this purchase that I stopped my self indulgence.

Why? because it was a wake up call. Ever Since I heard/read about the AK240 being issued at the above 2000 USD price, I started to feel that I am not being treated with the same respect that I give to audiophile products producing companies. I felt that Astell&Kern used our love for music and fantasies about perfect sounds and our priority to spend money on those products rather than other stuff, and has used us as a stepping stone to become the "Lafite" of DAPs, highly priced because rich people heard about it. (its funny that Lafite is a famous very expensive Rd wine bought by rich people at business lounges during travel just due to the name, while red wine is also associated with AK - RWAK)

Anyway, in comes CES 2104 followed by NAMM and Westone representatives openly spoke about their new "Elite Series" going universal. meaning that ES5 gone ES50 is now universal UM PRO 50. verbally and in emails that was confirmed. I have always loved universal IEMs since customs cannot be shared by friends for the sake of giving them a taste of the moment. My friends are all music lovers but not gonna pay more than 100$ for a earphone, so I usually supply eargasms when they come to my house/music_library (I am a huge LPs, CDs, concert DVDs collector)
So having heard and read interviews, emails and pulicities, I went for the first UM PRO 50 ever sold maybe (it hit the Hong Kong Shores too early). I always believed in the non-made_in_china items, like the Aurisonics, the Sennheisers and other Headphones(Mr. Speakers, Japanese stuff, HD800, HD650, LCD1...). So UM Pro being made in the USA and being the flagship in IEM and being the first universal Elite Series (highest grade of components done by Westone, as they say), I went for it with pride.

IT WAS A WAK UP CALL. No MORE getting fooled by the AKs and the Westones, and the Shures,.... you either respect our love for this game, and give us value for money, or you position your products with prices according to efforts.

First I was shocked from the manufacturing quality. The plastic now has become sooooooo plastic that I even feel that the coca cola bottle had a better grade of plastic than the UM PRO 50. and I am paying 700 USD here.

Second The assemble is so low grade, low engineering thoughts that it did not use any screws, any female-male compatibility in the 2 halves of the shell of each ear piece, they simply glued them togther with some sort of a super glue. I am sure it is a 2$ supermarket purchased tube, cause for them to apply the glue on the edges of the 2 halves that contain the BAs inside, they cannot avoid the random staining of the outer edges and surface.

Third The cable connector is so unthought-of that the cable's connector is surrounded by a plastic bulge from the earpiece side causing any good to normal quality other MMCX cable to be unusable. So Westone migrated from the 2 pins connection to the MMCX so us the loyal head fiers can use our own high quality cables, but did not give any though that non of our cables will work. and they call it um "PRO"

Fourth, I have read and heard many official Westone employees saying that the UM Pro 50 is the ES50 gone universal, however the ES50 has half the impedance of that UM PRO 50!! who is the pro here.

Fifth, comes the sound. Either the Westone engineers calibrated the sound signature of the UM PRO 50 on a pure gold cable and then through in a very bad cable, or they have gone deaf. the stock cable has a bloated sound signature that causes the mid bass to mess with the whole experience of listening. Some loyal westone fans called the sound warm, well this is not warm, this is malfunctioning!!! Put another good cable and hear the difference. However, dont keep that other MMCX cable for long, since the brilliant engineers at westone has made their stock cable with an extended plastic cover that covers the otherwise exposed pin of the earpiece side, and thus any other cable you use, if it went through the first trap of being thin enough to fit in through the plastic bulge, it will click in but leave the pin of the earpiece side of the connection exposed to all sorts of sweat, dust and humidity, and thus later causing a degradation in sound.

sixth, I compared the vault case of the old W4R with the new case in the UM-PRO 50 and found that the plastic went on diet and the vault now is simply a plastic wrap in comparison.
All this and we paid 700 USD. At the time I had ordered this, I also ordered a Fiio X5 player for 340 USD (In February it was already released in Hong Kong but not officially in the world) . And if you go through head-fi alone, you will see that customer voice listening process that Fiio is going through. Every detailed comment or complain was taken into consideration, an a frameware update after another i being released addressing all issues. And all that for a 340 USD DAP that probbly costs them 100 USD all in all, while the Westone UM PRO 50 is a 700 USD that costs westone less than 30 USD. Also the AK 240 is a 2400 USD that costs probably a 200 USD ( while still is not supporting Flac splitting Cue files, that X5 fiio is already supporting).

As a long fan of AK100, AK10, AK120,... and Westones ( around 5 of them) I suddenly got my wake up call " There are people that we love and they dont care about us, while people that we dont notice while they really care... same thing is happening in the audiophile domain". I suddenly felt as if my girlfriend for 5 years did not visit me in the hospital after an almost deadly car crash simply be cause she knows I love her anyway!!! No sorry, I am waking up

I will go back to spending my money of LPs and Music records in general and be the host of music feasts at my home…

 

 

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Originally Posted by xaddictionx View Post

Well, have to agree with your comments and view. When I got my W4R last year I was feeling the worthiness of my money put into it. The build quality, tuning and SQ was well worth the money paid for. I'm a happy Westone fan after traveling from UE etc. Whilst holding the anticipation and high pins and hopes for new releases from Westone, honestly the new UM PRO series didn't impress me at all. Exterior wise, I simply don't feel I'm putting my money worth. SQ wise, it's a very debatable topic but I feel the UM PRO 50 simply didn't have the effort nor research into it. Feels to me like merely squeezing another driver in. I didn't want to deviate from Westone, but Aurisonics and even the latest T-Peos H300 which is being priced at USD300 showed much great effort in build and SQ department. Definitely reasonably priced too. But I still believe that Westone has the potential. Probably will see something really nice from them 4th quarter this year or early next year.
post #468 of 910

I thought the most important part of a product around here is sound quality that matches your preferences. I bought mine based on that alone. 

post #469 of 910
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Originally Posted by KamijoIsMyHero View Post

I thought the most important part of a product around here is sound quality that matches your preferences. I bought mine based on that alone. 

Yup. I used to have the silver dragon for my ES5 and I find the cable to be poor - dynamic range collapsed and I lose the top end air and lower end extension.

I have a silver cable on my UM Pro 50 and the bass is tight and overall definition is very good. I find that I need to listen to the W4/40 quite loudly to enjoy its sound which is bad for my ears. Not the case for the UM series. I like the understated industrial looks of the UM plastic housing also.
post #470 of 910

Just got the reply from Westone this morning, they will arrange a replacement to my door steps which I appreciate (still, consider how much I've already spent on shipping at the first place). And lets wait and see how the new pair will go, but honestly I don't think the lose connector will get addressed as that's likely to be a engineering mistake rather than craftsmanship concerns. (craftsmanship of the Pro 50 still sucks though).

 

After one night of listening, there's another issue I found, when I plug the Pro 50 into my phone, several occasion I can hear strong interference possibly caused by my phone's signal which I don't think I had experienced such thing on my TF 10 equipped with the Oyaide cable or my other ear-buds. This makes me wonder how good the shielding of the stock cable or the earpiece itself is? Man...

post #471 of 910
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Originally Posted by Sarurururu View Post

Just got the reply from Westone this morning, they will arrange a replacement to my door steps which I appreciate (still, consider how much I've already spent on shipping at the first place). And lets wait and see how the new pair will go, but honestly I don't think the lose connector will get addressed as that's likely to be a engineering mistake rather than craftsmanship concerns. (craftsmanship of the Pro 50 still sucks though).

After one night of listening, there's another issue I found, when I plug the Pro 50 into my phone, several occasion I can hear strong interference possibly caused by my phone's signal which I don't think I had experienced such thing on my TF 10 equipped with the Oyaide cable or my other ear-buds. This makes me wonder how good the shielding of the stock cable or the earpiece itself is? Man...

From what I've read it's obvious you have a faulty unit. I've had my Pro50 for almost a month and no issues so far. Took off the stock cable about 10 times now to audition other after market and DIY cables. No loose connectors, no phone interference, no mid bass bloom after being almost burnt-in. In fact it's sounding better and better...
Also, I can't find any QC issues on my pair either, no glue residue etc... No gaps .... I guess I must be lucky and yes I bought it in Hong Kong from an authorized dealer.
If it ain't good, return it for a replacement is my advice to everyone. Perhaps the first batch was rushed to meet the release date and I had a better one....
post #472 of 910
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Originally Posted by smaragd View Post


From what I've read it's obvious you have a faulty unit. I've had my Pro50 for almost a month and no issues so far. Took off the stock cable about 10 times now to audition other after market and DIY cables. No loose connectors, no phone interference, no mid bass bloom after being almost burnt-in. In fact it's sounding better and better...
Also, I can't find any QC issues on my pair either, no glue residue etc... No gaps .... I guess I must be lucky and yes I bought it in Hong Kong from an authorized dealer.
If it ain't good, return it for a replacement is my advice to everyone. Perhaps the first batch was rushed to meet the release date and I had a better one....

I am glad for you then but mine is authorized product from Hong Kong as well and that's why Westone would deal with me directly. If I were in HK I would 200% go to Mingo or DMA for demo before putting my bet, unfortunately we only have cows and sheep in New Zealand and the nearest place that would allow me to have audition is in Australia. And strangely enough if you check DMA's web page, they have W series, UM1, 2 whatever but you won't see them carrying any UM Pro series, and that might tell people something. And why the W50 is more expensive than the UM 50 while suppose the UM series is targeting prosumer market? And US$100 discount (Earphonesolutions) for the Pro 50 as a flagship since how long ago it was launched, seriously? Anyway... too bad I came up with these questions after I paid, expensive lesson learnt I guess.

 

To be fair, I can't comment much on the SQ since I only listen to them less than 10 hrs, my first impression would be natural, non fatigue with reasonable amount of base. Using my 10 yrs old TF 10 for comparison, if my TF 10 with the Oyaide cable together score a 7 out of 10 then I would give the Pro 50 an 7.5, simple as that.


Edited by Sarurururu - 4/15/14 at 7:19pm
post #473 of 910
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarurururu View Post

I am glad for you then but mine is authorized product from Hong Kong as well and that's why Westone would deal with me directly. If I were in HK I would 200% go to Mingo or DMA for demo before putting my bet, unfortunately we only have cows and sheep in New Zealand and the nearest place that would allow me to have audition is in Australia. And strangely enough if you check DMA's web page, they have W series, UM1, 2 whatever but you won't see them carrying any UM Pro series, and that might tell people something. And why the W50 is more expensive than the UM 50 while suppose the UM series is targeting prosumer market? And US$100 discount (Earphonesolutions) for the Pro 50 as a flagship since how long ago it was launched, seriously? Anyway... too bad I came up with these questions after I paid, expensive lesson learnt I guess.

To be fair, I can't comment much on the SQ since I only listen to them less than 10 hrs, my first impression would be natural, non fatigue with reasonable amount of base. Using my 10 yrs old TF 10 for comparison, if my TF 10 with the Oyaide cable together score a 7 out of 10 then I would give the Pro 50 an 7.5, simple as that.
Haha sell off the UM50 and place your money on H300. If you're a die-hard fan of TF10, you're most likely to be impress with H300. Pretty amazing. Sorry to derail the UM lol.
post #474 of 910
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Originally Posted by xaddictionx View Post


Haha sell off the UM50 and place your money on H300. If you're a die-hard fan of TF10, you're most likely to be impress with H300. Pretty amazing. Sorry to derail the UM lol.

Haha bro, the reason for me keeping my TF 10 so long is not because I am a big fan, it's because it was somewhat the 2nd birthday present from my wife long before we were married and no kidding that damn thing really last for 10 yrs until today. I can still remember her face at the time she paid US$ 400 for the TF 10 while my ATH cans cost only $150:D.  And it was my only pair of BA phones before the Pro 50 came. And may I ask which brand of the H300 is it? 

post #475 of 910
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sarurururu View Post

Haha bro, the reason for me keeping my TF 10 so long is not because I am a big fan, it's because it was somewhat the 2nd birthday present from my wife long before we were married and no kidding that damn thing really last for 10 yrs until today. I can still remember her face at the time she paid US$ 400 for the TF 10 while my ATH cans cost only $150:D .  And it was my only pair of BA phones before the Pro 50 came. And may I ask which brand of the H300 is it? 
Haha but honestly the TF10 is no joke. It's really quite a performer. I sold it only to get it back later. The TF10 packs quite a unique sound signature that works pretty well across most genres. Wow 400 bucks at that time for it is definitely not cheap. H300 is by T-Peos. A triple hybrid IEM. Pretty new release in the market and if I'm not wrong it costs USD320 inclusive of shipping.
post #476 of 910
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Originally Posted by uelover View Post


Yup. I used to have the silver dragon for my ES5 and I find the cable to be poor - dynamic range collapsed and I lose the top end air and lower end extension.

I have a silver cable on my UM Pro 50 and the bass is tight and overall definition is very good. I find that I need to listen to the W4/40 quite loudly to enjoy its sound which is bad for my ears. Not the case for the UM series. I like the understated industrial looks of the UM plastic housing also.

hey, did you mean the stock cables from westones are bad ?

post #477 of 910
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Originally Posted by xaddictionx View Post


Haha but honestly the TF10 is no joke. It's really quite a performer. I sold it only to get it back later. The TF10 packs quite a unique sound signature that works pretty well across most genres. Wow 400 bucks at that time for it is definitely not cheap. H300 is by T-Peos. A triple hybrid IEM. Pretty new release in the market and if I'm not wrong it costs USD320 inclusive of shipping.

Thanks mate, checked the H300 online but I think I prefer Aurisonics ASG-2:D, looks much more sexy to my eyes, too bad I didn't audit a pair when I had the chance.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mkps2 View Post
 

hey, did you mean the stock cables from westones are bad ?

Not necessarily "Bad", but there're always better options;) and you don't see many manufacturer willing to list out specifications of their stock cables, the one I know would do this is Audio Technica, some of their high-end products even stocked with 7N copper cables. These days everyone is talking about cost effectiveness, therefore you won't expect the manufacturer will give you the best material, unlike the good old days you can probably grab the power cord from your rice cooker which looks terrible but actually made by Western Electronics and shines on your stereo system.


Edited by Sarurururu - 4/16/14 at 3:04am
post #478 of 910
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Originally Posted by majedelamine View Post


Amazingly Head-fi deleted it. If i was not a mature grown up I would have said its a conspiracy. Anyway, here it is:
Within 4 months(october 2013 till february 2014) I purchased over 5000 usd portable audiophile items. However the last purchase was indeed the Westone Universal Flag ship (at that time). W60 is not released yet.

So what makes it the best purchase for me? If my average spending was 1250 USD per month, my purchase of UM Pro 50 has saved me 2500 USD till now and counting, because it was due to this purchase that I stopped my self indulgence.

Why? because it was a wake up call. Ever Since I heard/read about the AK240 being issued at the above 2000 USD price, I started to feel that I am not being treated with the same respect that I give to audiophile products producing companies. I felt that Astell&Kern used our love for music and fantasies about perfect sounds and our priority to spend money on those products rather than other stuff, and has used us as a stepping stone to become the "Lafite" of DAPs, highly priced because rich people heard about it. (its funny that Lafite is a famous very expensive Rd wine bought by rich people at business lounges during travel just due to the name, while red wine is also associated with AK - RWAK)

Anyway, in comes CES 2104 followed by NAMM and Westone representatives openly spoke about their new "Elite Series" going universal. meaning that ES5 gone ES50 is now universal UM PRO 50. verbally and in emails that was confirmed. I have always loved universal IEMs since customs cannot be shared by friends for the sake of giving them a taste of the moment. My friends are all music lovers but not gonna pay more than 100$ for a earphone, so I usually supply eargasms when they come to my house/music_library (I am a huge LPs, CDs, concert DVDs collector)
So having heard and read interviews, emails and pulicities, I went for the first UM PRO 50 ever sold maybe (it hit the Hong Kong Shores too early). I always believed in the non-made_in_china items, like the Aurisonics, the Sennheisers and other Headphones(Mr. Speakers, Japanese stuff, HD800, HD650, LCD1...). So UM Pro being made in the USA and being the flagship in IEM and being the first universal Elite Series (highest grade of components done by Westone, as they say), I went for it with pride.

IT WAS A WAK UP CALL. No MORE getting fooled by the AKs and the Westones, and the Shures,.... you either respect our love for this game, and give us value for money, or you position your products with prices according to efforts.

First I was shocked from the manufacturing quality. The plastic now has become sooooooo plastic that I even feel that the coca cola bottle had a better grade of plastic than the UM PRO 50. and I am paying 700 USD here.

Second The assemble is so low grade, low engineering thoughts that it did not use any screws, any female-male compatibility in the 2 halves of the shell of each ear piece, they simply glued them togther with some sort of a super glue. I am sure it is a 2$ supermarket purchased tube, cause for them to apply the glue on the edges of the 2 halves that contain the BAs inside, they cannot avoid the random staining of the outer edges and surface.

Third The cable connector is so unthought-of that the cable's connector is surrounded by a plastic bulge from the earpiece side causing any good to normal quality other MMCX cable to be unusable. So Westone migrated from the 2 pins connection to the MMCX so us the loyal head fiers can use our own high quality cables, but did not give any though that non of our cables will work. and they call it um "PRO"

Fourth, I have read and heard many official Westone employees saying that the UM Pro 50 is the ES50 gone universal, however the ES50 has half the impedance of that UM PRO 50!! who is the pro here.

Fifth, comes the sound. Either the Westone engineers calibrated the sound signature of the UM PRO 50 on a pure gold cable and then through in a very bad cable, or they have gone deaf. the stock cable has a bloated sound signature that causes the mid bass to mess with the whole experience of listening. Some loyal westone fans called the sound warm, well this is not warm, this is malfunctioning!!! Put another good cable and hear the difference. However, dont keep that other MMCX cable for long, since the brilliant engineers at westone has made their stock cable with an extended plastic cover that covers the otherwise exposed pin of the earpiece side, and thus any other cable you use, if it went through the first trap of being thin enough to fit in through the plastic bulge, it will click in but leave the pin of the earpiece side of the connection exposed to all sorts of sweat, dust and humidity, and thus later causing a degradation in sound.

sixth, I compared the vault case of the old W4R with the new case in the UM-PRO 50 and found that the plastic went on diet and the vault now is simply a plastic wrap in comparison.
All this and we paid 700 USD. At the time I had ordered this, I also ordered a Fiio X5 player for 340 USD (In February it was already released in Hong Kong but not officially in the world) . And if you go through head-fi alone, you will see that customer voice listening process that Fiio is going through. Every detailed comment or complain was taken into consideration, an a frameware update after another i being released addressing all issues. And all that for a 340 USD DAP that probbly costs them 100 USD all in all, while the Westone UM PRO 50 is a 700 USD that costs westone less than 30 USD. Also the AK 240 is a 2400 USD that costs probably a 200 USD ( while still is not supporting Flac splitting Cue files, that X5 fiio is already supporting).

As a long fan of AK100, AK10, AK120,... and Westones ( around 5 of them) I suddenly got my wake up call " There are people that we love and they dont care about us, while people that we dont notice while they really care... same thing is happening in the audiophile domain". I suddenly felt as if my girlfriend for 5 years did not visit me in the hospital after an almost deadly car crash simply be cause she knows I love her anyway!!! No sorry, I am waking up

I will go back to spending my money of LPs and Music records in general and be the host of music feasts at my home…

Bingo, exactly as what you have said. When I first bought DX100 I thought I was crazy enough to spend over US$700 on a MP3 player or DAP or whatever fancy name people call it. In a month's time there came the news of HM-901, then AK100, AK120 and until today everyone is about to launch their as luxury as possible products into the market, things just got out of control. Back to 10 years ago it is hard to make people believe that one day, the prevalence of people easily carrying over US$1500 gadgets wondering in the street just for listening to their beloved music.


Edited by Sarurururu - 4/16/14 at 3:16am
post #479 of 910
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sarurururu View Post

Thanks mate, checked the H300 online but I think I prefer Aurisonics ASG-2:D , looks much more sexy to my eyes, too bad I didn't audit a pair when I had the chance.
Nice choice! smily_headphones1.gif I have the ASG2 too! To be honest ASG2 is one of my favorite IEM. I came from UM3X and W4R. Both with aftermarket cable swap. But to me the ASG2 beats it. If you're looking into vocals, you're definitely in for a treat. ASG2 portrays vocals really well. Bass to me wins the W4R. (H300 still has the best bass). Highs are smoothen out. But a slight EQ tweak brings it out. Do give the ASG2 a try if you have the chance! smily_headphones1.gif
post #480 of 910

I returned my UM Pro 50 due to a lose connector on one side. That was the second short lived audio gear I have ever tried. The first one was a Luxman P-200 headphone amp. Now the store exchanged the UM Pro 50 for a pair Shure SE846, I will report back my finding shortly. I hope SE846 does not have the "plastic" sound with voice like the fist pair of Shure I had back in 2005. One thing make me worry that is the 846 has 9 ohm of impedance...


Edited by Seamaster - 4/21/14 at 8:06pm
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