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It's impossible to demo a custom westone iem in Singapore..

How close does it sound as compared to the um pro 50?(if you have demoed one)

 

Alright, I came back from demoing the ES5, UM Pro 50 and JH16. Keep in mind that the ciems have all been fitted with a universal adapter so they are not at their best during my testing. They should sound even better with a custom fit.

 

I am using my cowon D20 player for testing. A note is that the D20 output impedance is only 2 Ohms so it can drive any iem down to 16 Ohms with no problem (that's why they spec it at 16 Ohms) and is known to be powerful enough to drive 300+ Ohms can with power to spare. So the Player is more than enough to drive any of these iems

 

 

My control is a pair of Westone 4R with Silver Dragon Mk-II cable. I do not have my stock cable with me. Keep in mind that this has greatly increased the W4r performance.

 

 

The first thing is to look at the speculation that "UM Pro 50 is just the ES50 in universal form". Assuming the ES5 and ES50 is more or less the same (from others, there have been mentioned that ES50 might be a bit more detail and warmer in the mid range).

I can assure you that they are NOT the same. The sound quality of the ES5 (with the universal adapter)  is simply MUCH better than that of the UM Pro 50. The bass is more heavy, the high more clear.  There is no way anyone could mistaken these 2 to be the same once they have tested them.

 

The ES5 is a 20 Ohms IEM, the UM 50 has much higher Ohms. This is reflected in that the ES5 is much louder at the same output level.

 

In terms of Bass, the JH has the most power bass, I "felt", follow by ES5, then my W4r+SD2, and lastly the UM 50

 

In terms of overall clarity (which not everyone preferred) ES5>W4r+SD2 > JH > UM50

However, the ES5 mid is a bit more warmer than my W4r, it felt softer and not as impact-ful. I can understand why some had mentioned that they are not "wowed" the first time they put the ES5 on, I actually preferred the mid with my current setup. Then again, who knows what an ES5+ SD2 can do? maybe it will destroy the W4r in all aspect. The ES5 has good highs and it has much less sharp noise with some "ssss" sound in the sound track.

 

For the JH, it is really way too colored for my liking. Not that it is bad, as some would prefer this, but anyone who preferred Westone due to its accuracy and clarity will not like what the JH line can offer. They have great bass, but the mid and high are just too "masked" and what felt similar to "muffed" (But not actual muffed....).

 

So if you have the $ to get a ES5/50, I would suggest you also prepare for upgrading the cable as well. The reason I got the SilverDragon Mk2 is that it improved the W4r's bass impact, mid's sound stage and high's clarify. This might very well be why I felt my control iem has better mid and high clarity.

 

After doing some research from other forums, people mentioned that ES5 actually has a "warmer" mid and it is not "accurate" like its bass and high. I can understand this once I demoed the ES5 and felt how the mid is more soft. I don't know if I can overcome this with Cowon's EQing, haven't try it yet.

On the other hand, the Ultimate Ear ciem has been said to have the most natural sounding signal. I will need to find another time to demo this and see which one I prefer.

 

So where does this leave the UM Pro 50? Unfortunately, I feel that this is a far cry from being an alternative to the ES5 line. They are not "just" ES5/50 in universal form. They might use the same 5 driver set up, but clearly something else is different. Even the raw spec would suggest so. Keep in mind that I am not saying the UM Pro 50 is a bad iem, it is just that it is no where near being a replacement of the ES5. Perhaps if I also have an upgraded cable to test the UM Pro 50 with, it would sound better than my W4r. But somehow I doubt it. A higher impedance for these low impedance iems might signal that the component in the UM Pro 50 is cheaper than that of the ES5 and W4r.. but this is just pure specification.

 

That's my report. Hope it is not too hard to follow.


Edited by realgundam - 4/14/14 at 7:53am
post #437 of 667
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Alright, I came back from demoing the ES5, UM Pro 50 and JH16. Keep in mind that the ciems have all been fitted with a universal adapter so that are not at their best during my testing. They should sound even better with a custom fit.

 

I am using my cowon D20 player for testing. A note is that the D20 output impedance is only 2 Ohms so it can drive any iem down to 16 Ohms with no problem (that's why they spec it at 16 Ohms) and is know to be powerful enough to drive 300+ Ohms can with power to spare. So the Player is more than enough to drive any of these iems

 

 

My control is a pair of Westone 4R with Silver Dragon Mk-II cable. I do not have my stock with me. Keep in mind that this has greatly increases the W4r performance as you read the below.

 

 

The first thing to look at the speculation that "UM Pro 50 is just the ES50 in universal form". Assuming the ES5 and ES50 is more or less the same (from others, there has been mentioned that ES50 might be a bit more detail and warmer in the mid range).

I can assure you that they are NOT the same. The sound quality if the ES5 (with the universal adapter)  is simply MUCH better than that of the UM Pro 50. The bass is more heavy, the high more clear.  There is no way anyone could mistaken these 2 are the same once they tested them.

 

The ES5 is a 20 Ohms IEM, the UM 50 have much higher Ohms. This is reflective in that the ES5 is much louder at the same output level.

 

In terms of Bass, the JH has the most power bass I "felt", follow by ES5, then my W4r+SD2, and lastly the UM 50

 

In terms of overall clarity (which not everyone preferred) ES5>W4r+SD2 > JH > UM50

However, the ES5 mid is a bit more warmer than my W4r, it felt softer and not as impact-ful. I can understand why some had mentioned that they are not "wowed" the first time they put the ES5 on, I actually preferred the mid with my current setup. Than again, who knows what an ES5+ SD2 can do? maybe it will destroy the W4r in all aspect. The ES5 has good highs but it has much less sharp noise with some "ssss" sound in the sound track.

 

For the JH, it is really way too colored for my liking. Not that it is bad, as some would prefer this, but anyone who preferred Westone due to its accuracy and clarity will not like what the JH line can offer. They have great bass, but the mid and high are just too "masked" and what felt similar to "muffed" (But not actual muffed....).

 

So if you have the $ to get a ES5/50, I would suggest you also prepare for upgrading the cable as well. The reason I for the SilverDragon Mk2 is it improved the W4r's bass impact, mid's sound stage and high's clarify. This might very well be why I felt my control iem has better mid and high clarity.

 

After doing some research from other forums, people mentioned that ES5 actually has a "warmer" mid and it is not "accurate" like its bass and high. I can understand this once I demoed the ES5 and felt how the mid is more soft. I don't know if I can overcome this with Cowon's EQing, haven't try it yet.

On the other hand, the Ultimate Ear ciem has been said to have the most natural sounding signal. I will need to find another time to demo this and see which one I prefer.

 

That's my report. Hope it is not too hard to follow.

Yeah, it isn't hard to follow at all. Thanks for the comparison between the es5 and um pro 50!

post #438 of 667
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Yeah, it isn't hard to follow at all. Thanks for the comparison between the es5 and um pro 50!


Did some grammar editing and added more UM Pro relevant comment at the end

post #439 of 667
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Alright, I came back from demoing the ES5, UM Pro 50 and JH16. Keep in mind that the ciems have all been fitted with a universal adapter so that are not at their best during my testing. They should sound even better with a custom fit.

I am using my cowon D20 player for testing. A note is that the D20 output impedance is only 2 Ohms so it can drive any iem down to 16 Ohms with no problem (that's why they spec it at 16 Ohms) and is known to be powerful enough to drive 300+ Ohms can with power to spare. So the Player is more than enough to drive any of these iems


My control is a pair of Westone 4R with Silver Dragon Mk-II cable. I do not have my stock cable with me. Keep in mind that this has greatly increased the W4r performance.


The first thing is to look at the speculation that "UM Pro 50 is just the ES50 in universal form". Assuming the ES5 and ES50 is more or less the same (from others, there have been mentioned that ES50 might be a bit more detail and warmer in the mid range).
I can assure you that they are NOT the same. The sound quality of the ES5 (with the universal adapter)  is simply MUCH better than that of the UM Pro 50. The bass is more heavy, the high more clear.  There is no way anyone could mistaken these 2 are the same once they have tested them.

The ES5 is a 20 Ohms IEM, the UM 50 have much higher Ohms. This is reflected in that the ES5 is much louder at the same output level.

In terms of Bass, the JH has the most power bass I "felt", follow by ES5, then my W4r+SD2, and lastly the UM 50

In terms of overall clarity (which not everyone preferred) ES5>W4r+SD2 > JH > UM50
However, the ES5 mid is a bit more warmer than my W4r, it felt softer and not as impact-ful. I can understand why some had mentioned that they are not "wowed" the first time they put the ES5 on, I actually preferred the mid with my current setup. Than again, who knows what an ES5+ SD2 can do? maybe it will destroy the W4r in all aspect. The ES5 has good highs but it has much less sharp noise with some "ssss" sound in the sound track.

For the JH, it is really way too colored for my liking. Not that it is bad, as some would prefer this, but anyone who preferred Westone due to its accuracy and clarity will not like what the JH line can offer. They have great bass, but the mid and high are just too "masked" and what felt similar to "muffed" (But not actual muffed....).

So if you have the $ to get a ES5/50, I would suggest you also prepare for upgrading the cable as well. The reason I got the SilverDragon Mk2 is that it improved the W4r's bass impact, mid's sound stage and high's clarify. This might very well be why I felt my control iem has better mid and high clarity.

After doing some research from other forums, people mentioned that ES5 actually has a "warmer" mid and it is not "accurate" like its bass and high. I can understand this once I demoed the ES5 and felt how the mid is more soft. I don't know if I can overcome this with Cowon's EQing, haven't try it yet.
On the other hand, the Ultimate Ear ciem has been said to have the most natural sounding signal. I will need to find another time to demo this and see which one I prefer.

So where does this leave the UM Pro 50? Unfortunately, I feel that this is a far cry from being an alternative to the ES5 line. They are not "just" ES5/50 in universal form. They might use the same 5 driver set up, but clearly something else is different. Even the raw spec would suggest so. Keep in mind that I am not saying the UM Pro 50 is a bad iem, it is just that it is no where near being a replacement of the ES5. Perhaps if I also have an upgraded cable to test the UM Pro 50 with, it would sound better than my W4r. But somehow I doubt it. A higher impedance for these low impedance iems might signal that the component in the UM Pro 50 is cheaper than the ES5 and W4r.. but this is just pure specification.

That's my report. Hope it is not too hard to follow.
Agree! The W4 with silver dragon is really spectacular!
post #440 of 667
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Agree! The W4 with silver dragon is really spectacular!


Do you have the Silver Dragon 1 or Mk 2? I have both, and the main difference is that the Mk2 brings out the high much better (you will hear those "clin" and "din" much better :P

post #441 of 667
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Do you have the Silver Dragon 1 or Mk 2? I have both, and the main difference is that the Mk2 brings out the high much better (you will hear those "clin" and "din" much better :P
Hmm I'm not too sure mine is the MKI or MKII. I think I got them last year. Probably MKI. But the difference is really good enough. smily_headphones1.gif tried on other IEMs too and the result is, the silver dragon is really capable.
post #442 of 667
I wonder if the pro 50 you demo'ed was fully burned in... I've had mine for almost 3 weeks now and the sound character is still changing... The bass is getting more precise and less boomy... And this is with the stock cable. I also auditioned a few after market cables with pure copper, silver plated copper, pure silver and silver+gold cables. They all sounded different. So to me I wouldn't judge the UM Pro 50 without knowing how many hours of play it got...
One unique aspect of the UM Pro 50 is that its highs are never causing any fatigue with the exception of silver plated copper cables ... Never did I here anyb over emphasized sibilants...
post #443 of 667

Crap, my new pair arrived today and I found there's a noticeable gap at the junction of the left housing, thus I can even see the inside component shinning from that gap. Leakage is relatively obvious on that piece.:triportsad: Clearly I can see the alignment of the housing is not in place. Damn, I really don't expect crap like this would happen on a pair which cost me US$650 and dare Westone claim that the Pro 50 is proudly made in US :mad: 

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Crap, my new pair arrived today and I found there's a noticeable gap at the junction of the left housing, thus I can even see the inside component shinning from that gap. Leakage is relatively obvious on that piece.:triportsad: Clearly I can see the alignment of the housing is not in place. Damn, I really don't expect crap like this would happen on a pair which cost me US$650 and dare Westone claim that the Pro 50 is proudly made in US :mad: 

Did I say mine has lose connector on one side (in the housing)

post #445 of 667
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Originally Posted by Sarurururu View Post
 

Crap, my new pair arrived today and I found there's a noticeable gap at the junction of the left housing, thus I can even see the inside component shinning from that gap. Leakage is relatively obvious on that piece.:triportsad: Clearly I can see the alignment of the housing is not in place. Damn, I really don't expect crap like this would happen on a pair which cost me US$650 and dare Westone claim that the Pro 50 is proudly made in US :mad: 


More like it is because it is made in US.... :P

the UM Pro I demoed felt so light and cheap....

post #446 of 667

but but its supposed to be light on the ears. It's one of the things like about them.

post #447 of 667

I like the them light and comfortable but so much for QC of a $650 product. 

post #448 of 667

To be fair, the light weight could be a benefit I agree and sound quality wise no doubt is good (but not a huge leap). But seriously when you look closer, you can tell the craftsmanship is really bad, glue all over the junction line. Besides, the outer finishing of the housing is rough and unrefined and that probably gives people the kinda "Cheap" feeling. For this price range, I can even get a pair of Alpha Dog crafted by 3D printing, one of a kind built by advance technologies in the market. This is my first ever pair from Westone and I'm really disappointed. I think Westone should make a serious respond to this thread.

post #449 of 667

One of my good ear piece is in perfect finish, not a trace of any glue. The one with lose connector has glue all over the seam of the shells. They looked like from two totally different factories almost. Is this suppose to be "Appreciation" thread right? :rolleyes:

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One of my good ear piece is in perfect finish, not a trace of any glue. The one with lose connector has glue all over the seam of the shells. They looked like from two totally different factories almost. Is this suppose to be "Appreciation" thread right? rolleyes.gif
Haha what do you want to change to word to?
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