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post #391 of 905
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post

Would you die if you responded to my question above biggrin.gif since you are an owner... I am confused why these are called monitoring headphones. Aren't monitoring headphones supposed to be neutral so people can hear as exactly as what the audience is hearing? I would have thought w was for the average user but seems like it is vice Versa.

I am now really confused want to decide between w40-50 and um50. I am just an average user and wanna have the best clarity, soundstage, and nice bass since I mostly listen to house and electronic. God... Someone please reply. There is not a single store in Bay Area stocking any westone.
The W series are more towards the "fun" sounding direction while the um series are more towards the neutral direction.

The w series are targeted towards the general consumer while the um series are geared towards stage monitoring.

I'd suggest that you find a shop with them in stock to try them out.
post #392 of 905
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The W series are more towards the "fun" sounding direction while the um series are more towards the neutral direction.

The w series are targeted towards the general consumer while the um series are geared towards stage monitoring.

I'd suggest that you find a shop with them in stock to try them out.

The cs operator I talked to said quite the opposite. He mentioned W series were supposed to be more neutral sounding so they replicate exactly the pre recorded music, whereas UM sounds warmer and more fun because this is what singers need on stage... Go and figure...

 

There are zero stores in Bay area that sell Westone. How on earth do people here find stores selling them to try?


Edited by shadow_shooter - 4/8/14 at 9:11pm
post #393 of 905
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Would you die if you responded to my question above biggrin.gif since you are an owner... 

I would not die that easily

 

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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post
 

The cs operator I talked to said quite the opposite. He mentioned W series were supposed to be more neutral sounding so they replicate exactly the pre recorded music, whereas UM sounds warmer and more fun because this is what singers need on stage... Go and figure...

 

There are zero stores in Bay area that sell Westone. How on earth do people here find stores selling them to try?

I never heard the W40 BUT I can tell you UM Pro 50 are NOT for monitoring because it is colored (warm with body) rather than neutral. If someone describe Pro 50 is neutral, he must in love with HD650 or something very thick sounding. I feel the Pro 50 is not the last word of wide soundstage, clarity, speed, or instrument separation, it is a naturally warm sounding with hard kicking bass IEM. A quite enjoyable and easy listening experience. IMHO, any more bass or body than Pro 50 with stock cable would be overwhelming other frequencies and make is less enjoyable. Overall the Pro 50 sounds very direct without too much adorn. I hope this helps.


Edited by Seamaster - 4/8/14 at 10:19pm
post #394 of 905

I have already decided the Pro 50 will stay and plan to get after market cable for them to "open up" the sound. They are VERY efficient I use half the volume as I did with other IEM. I have a Philips MP3 player that I use for gym, I have to turn off the "full sound" feature AND bass boost with Pro 50, I thinking that tells you something.


Edited by Seamaster - 4/8/14 at 10:12pm
post #395 of 905
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I would not die that easily

I never heard the W40 BUT I can tell you UM Pro 50 are NOT for monitoring because it is colored (warm with body) rather than neutral. If someone describe Pro 50 is neutral, he must in love with HD650 or something very thick sounding. I feel the Pro 50 is not the last word of wide soundstage, clarity, speed, or instrument separation, it is a naturally warm sounding with hard kicking bass IEM. A quite enjoyable and easy listening experience. IMHO, any more bass or body than Pro 50 with stock cable would be overwhelming other frequencies and make is less enjoyable. Overall the Pro 50 sounds very direct without too much adorn. I hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Seamaster View Post

I have already decided the Pro 50 will stay and plan to get after market cable for them to "open up" the sound. They are VERY efficient I use half the volume as I did with other IEM. I have a Philips MP3 player that I use for gym, I have to turn off the "full sound" feature AND bass boost with Pro 50, I thinking that tells you something.

These were super useful. I am persuaded that these are indeed good iems as bass goes but what about the soundstage? When you close your eyes how do you feel like the sound is coming from.? Clarity and instrument separation? Also is the bass overpowering? Like when not supposed to, you still kind of feel it is still there.

Oh and thanks very much for taking the stake to be the only person to respond tongue.gif
Edited by shadow_shooter - 4/9/14 at 12:22am
post #396 of 905
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what about the soundstage?

Pretty wide, it's about right outside the ear canal.

 

That's on the comply tips though.

post #397 of 905

Can anyone explain how these could be the same IEM? I just don't see how

 

 

UM PRO 50 Specifications

SENSITIVITY: 115 dB SPL @ 1mW

FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 20 Hz - 20 kHz

IMPEDANCE: 45 ohms @ 1 kHz

PASSIVE NOISE ATTENUATION: 25 dB

 

 

 

Elite Series ES50

Sensitivity: 120 dB @ 1mW

Frequency response: 8 Hz - 20 kHz
Impedance: 20 ohms @ 1kHz

 

It looks like the custom has better status.

btw what is passive noise attenuation? What of that of the ES50?

post #398 of 905
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Can anyone explain how these could be the same IEM? I just don't see how

 

 

UM PRO 50 Specifications

SENSITIVITY: 115 dB SPL @ 1mW

FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 20 Hz - 20 kHz

IMPEDANCE: 45 ohms @ 1 kHz

PASSIVE NOISE ATTENUATION: 25 dB

 

 

 

Elite Series ES50

Sensitivity: 120 dB @ 1mW

Frequency response: 8 Hz - 20 kHz
Impedance: 20 ohms @ 1kHz

 

It looks like the custom has better status.

btw what is passive noise attenuation? What of that of the ES50?

passive noise attenuation is just a fancy term for noise isolation.

post #399 of 905

Volume wise? How does UM PRO 50 fare versus UM PRO 30/UM3x?

 

One of the traits i appreciate in the UM3x is that they can get loud with a tiny amount of energy.

post #400 of 905
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Originally Posted by realgundam View Post

Can anyone explain how these could be the same IEM? I just don't see how


UM PRO 50 Specifications



SENSITIVITY: 115 dB SPL @ 1mW
FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 20 Hz - 20 kHz
IMPEDANCE: 45 ohms @ 1 kHz
PASSIVE NOISE ATTENUATION: 25 dB



Elite Series ES50



Sensitivity: 120 dB @ 1mW






Frequency response: 8 Hz - 20 kHz
Impedance: 20 ohms @ 1kHz







It looks like the custom has better status.
btw what is passive noise attenuation? What of that of the ES50?

I see the the frequency response at low freq is better in SE50, i dont see why lower impedance is better for you. At least for me i prefer the stability of high impedance, especially that the sensitivity is not severely effected. In a matter of fact the the um pro 50 are very sensitive and respond to volume increase in a rapid way. All said, i do agree that these are not the same. I still have to see other charts to mainly compare the 2 most important aspects, the pulse response which decides the quality and type of BAs and the cross way circuit, and also definetly need to see the signature curve. I suspect that those have the same BAs, and same connection but different 3 way circuit which effects the impedance and the low frequency cut off...
post #401 of 905
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Originally Posted by elfary View Post

Volume wise? How does UM PRO 50 fare versus UM PRO 30/UM3x?

One of the traits i appreciate in the UM3x is that they can get loud with a tiny amount of energy.

That's the experience of the 50s too, I assure you that
post #402 of 905

I want to ask if there were any reason to consider ES5 because of the 5-20Hz range.

While I listens to flac, I use a cowon player and it states 20-20k Hz response only. However I like the BBE+ effects

 

I know most human cannot hear below 20Hz, but the sound wave actually create pressure impact and subconscious response. It makes stuff sounds more realistic even if you cannot hear it.

But not so sure about my player. Would UM Pro 50 be good enough (as my cowon player has bottleneck)?

Or what player should I be looking for?

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Originally Posted by majedelamine View Post


I see the the frequency response at low freq is better in SE50, i dont see why lower impedance is better for you. At least for me i prefer the stability of high impedance, especially that the sensitivity is not severely effected. In a matter of fact the the um pro 50 are very sensitive and respond to volume increase in a rapid way. All said, i do agree that these are not the same. I still have to see other charts to mainly compare the 2 most important aspects, the pulse response which decides the quality and type of BAs and the cross way circuit, and also definetly need to see the signature curve. I suspect that those have the same BAs, and same connection but different 3 way circuit which effects the impedance and the low frequency cut off...

Edited by realgundam - 4/9/14 at 5:03am
post #403 of 905
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Originally Posted by realgundam View Post

I want to ask if there were any reason to consider ES5 because of the 5-20Hz range.
While I listens to flac, I use a cowon player and it states 20-20k Hz response only. However I like the BBE+ effects

I know most human cannot hear below 20Hz, but the sound wave actually create pressure impact and subconscious response. It makes stuff sounds more realistic even if you cannot hear it.
But not so sure about my player. Would UM Pro 50 be good enough (as my cowon player has bottleneck)?
Or what player should I be looking for?

The advantage of have very low frequency range is mainly that the response for 20Hz up to 18,000 hz will be a straight with no drops, thus it will have a balanced frequency response. Ur player should only produce consistent power at the range it claims to be enough to enjoy your iem. I think the cowon should be enough, the only thing you should look at is the output impedence which makes UM pro 50 good cause it works well with most player/ and look at out put power. I am worried that your player wont play a 45ohm iem at the desired power. But then its just different tastes of volume
post #404 of 905
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Originally Posted by Seamaster View Post

I would not die that easily

I never heard the W40 BUT I can tell you UM Pro 50 are NOT for monitoring because it is colored (warm with body) rather than neutral. If someone describe Pro 50 is neutral, he must in love with HD650 or something very thick sounding. I feel the Pro 50 is not the last word of wide soundstage, clarity, speed, or instrument separation, it is a naturally warm sounding with hard kicking bass IEM. A quite enjoyable and easy listening experience. IMHO, any more bass or body than Pro 50 with stock cable would be overwhelming other frequencies and make is less enjoyable. Overall the Pro 50 sounds very direct without too much adorn. I hope this helps.
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post #405 of 905
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Originally Posted by shadow_shooter View Post



These were super useful. I am persuaded that these are indeed good iems as bass goes but what about the soundstage? When you close your eyes how do you feel like the sound is coming from.? Clarity and instrument separation? Also is the bass overpowering? Like when not supposed to, you still kind of feel it is still there.

Oh and thanks very much for taking the stake to be the only person to respond tongue.gif

When I close my eye music a whole right out side of my head (entend right out side of my ears) but voice is forward and is still in side my head. Clarity (5%) and instrument separation (15%) is less than Meridian G08 + WA22 + LCD-2 + ALO custom cable. Not bad for IEM without amp and stright out of my MacBook Pro. Bass is about right.

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