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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

 DO allow a couple days for your ears to adjust.  They will.  Also, while they are warm, the treble is still really good and better than UM3X which was definitely rolled off.  Pro50 is just tuned "warm" on the top end.

 

^ This!!!  Pro 50 has been the biggest puzzle for me with a love-hate relationship when I first start listening to it.  Now, I'm addicted to its sound, and think it has the most organic timbre out of anything I have listened to.  A lot of headphones in my collection are bright in the upper mids/treble, which makes them more revealing and exciting, and my brain got adjusted to that signature.  So when I start listening to Pro 50, it was too dark for me.  They are more on a darker side, but after many hours of listening (and 100hrs of combined burn in and listening) - I started to appreciate more and more how NATURAL it sounds.  It's not an artificial sound, it's pure and organic, very ear-friendly.  Keep in mind, big part of Westone business is still hearing earpieces, and these guys know how to tune their drivers ;)  Now even W40, in comparison to Pro 50, sounds a bit harsh and less realistic at the top end.

 

Btw, as much as Epic cable is convenient, I would strongly suggest investing into Pure Silver Litz type of cable for Pro 50.  Not silver-plated Litz or Pure Copper, but Pure Silver cable.  I'm testing Whiplash TWag v3 now and very pleased with it in comparison to Pure Copper (detailed, but still warm/smooth) and even Linum Silver-Plated Litz (very detailed, but too much boost at low end).  Pure Silver significantly improves retrieval of details, improves dynamics of the sound, super transparent, and soundstage improvement is very noticeable as well (especially with imaging and positioning of instruments and vocals).  Something I discovered with TWag v3, in a few of the songs the decay of panned sounds was too short and the sounds itself were veiled (when using stock OFC Epic cable) - all this specific to hard L/R panned sounds.  UM Pro 50 is not a king of sound stage, it's a Pro series for musicians to keep a focus on the music.  Well, this Pure Silver cable opens up the soundstage and captures all the details at the edges of it.  I'm using hi-res Cayin N6 DAP, so a level of detail retrieval will depend on a quality of your source, but still I'm quite amazed with what I'm hearing after I switched to TWag v3.

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^ This!!!  Pro 50 has been the biggest puzzle for me with a love-hate relationship when I first start listening to it.  Now, I'm addicted to its sound, and think it has the most organic timbre out of anything I have listened to.  A lot of headphones in my collection are bright in the upper mids/treble, which makes them more revealing and exciting, and my brain got adjusted to that signature.  So when I start listening to Pro 50, it was too dark for me.  They are more on a darker side, but after many hours of listening (and 100hrs of combined burn in and listening) - I started to appreciate more and more how NATURAL it sounds.  It's not an artificial sound, it's pure and organic, very ear-friendly.  Keep in mind, big part of Westone business is still hearing earpieces, and these guys know how to tune their drivers wink.gif  Now even W40, in comparison to Pro 50, sounds a bit harsh and less realistic at the top end.

Btw, as much as Epic cable is convenient, I would strongly suggest investing into Pure Silver Litz type of cable for Pro 50.  Not silver-plated Litz or Pure Copper, but Pure Silver cable.  I'm testing Whiplash TWag v3 now and very pleased with it in comparison to Pure Copper (detailed, but still warm/smooth) and even Linum Silver-Plated Litz (very detailed, but too much boost at low end).  Pure Silver significantly improves retrieval of details, improves dynamics of the sound, super transparent, and soundstage improvement is very noticeable as well (especially with imaging and positioning of instruments and vocals).  Something I discovered with TWag v3, in a few of the songs the decay of panned sounds was too short and the sounds itself were veiled (when using stock OFC Epic cable) - all this specific to hard L/R panned sounds.  UM Pro 50 is not a king of sound stage, it's a Pro series for musicians to keep a focus on the music.  Well, this Pure Silver cable opens up the soundstage and captures all the details at the edges of it.  I'm using hi-res Cayin N6 DAP, so a level of detail retrieval will depend on a quality of your source, but still I'm quite amazed with what I'm hearing after I switched to TWag v3.

I totally agree. I noticed the same thing when I changed my cable. It was crazy. The difference was noticeable and I instantly heard the difference when I had to send my silver cable back. This is all on a Note 4, which sounds good, but imagine on a actual dedicated audio source. I definitely prefer the sound signature of the Pro50 because of the smoothness and timbre seems so real.
I literally cried when I played some of my GF's singing covers because it just sounded believable. Kind of like as if she was singing right next to me. If that ain't something, I don't know what is. These IEMs are the best SQ I have heard and I am a definite proud owner of them.
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Yeah, you bring up a good point regarding vocals (male or female) - a very convincing natural sound with Pro 50 w/silver cable.

 

Also, forgot to mention with TWag v3 - the silver wire by nature is soft and flexible, even despite the whole twisted/braided config and thickness of the wire.  I was surprised of how comfortable it fits wire-up over the ear.

 

Btw, why did you have to send your silver cable back?

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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post

Yeah, you bring up a good point regarding vocals (male or female) - a very convincing natural sound with Pro 50 w/silver cable.

Also, forgot to mention with TWag v3 - the silver wire by nature is soft and flexible, even despite the whole twisted/braided config and thickness of the wire.  I was surprised of how comfortable it fits wire-up over the ear.

Btw, why did you have to send your silver cable back?
I would buy the silver+gold but that's a lot for me.
I sent it back because of my mess up. I though I should use epoxy to glue the y connector, for some reason, and when it messed up, I tried to etch it out with an xacto blade. Basically, I was stupid and not thinking, cutting the wire with my knife in the process. I sent it back to Ted (HeadphoneLounge) for repair, I'm waiting for it back with the price for repair.
I can't describe how much I do like him and his cables, as it's always a blast to work with him. For something that is handmade, he makes some beautiful cables.
post #1190 of 1194
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

 DO allow a couple days for your ears to adjust.  They will.  Also, while they are warm, the treble is still really good and better than UM3X which was definitely rolled off.  Pro50 is just tuned "warm" on the top end.

I also felt the highs on UM3X was a bit rolled off, especially compared with W4R which I also had for a while. With UMPro 50 I feel the high freequency is really nice. At first I feel it's a bit too warm on certain music, but just leave them on for a while, I kinda like it that way. But a little bit EQ does help a lot.
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Absolutely.  I love a little bit of treble EQ and nothing else.  Add a neutral to bright amp and you have among the best sound you can get in a universal.  I think they are using really top notch quality drivers.  Everything sounds so solid, so refined and so well rounded.

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Absolutely.  I love a little bit of treble EQ and nothing else.  Add a neutral to bright amp and you have among the best sound you can get in a universal.  I think they are using really top notch quality drivers.  Everything sounds so solid, so refined and so well rounded.

 

What bright amp what you recommend?  So far, everything I come across is either neutral or colored (toward warm sig).

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Well, I don't have much of an amp history at all.  The Topping NX1 is really doing it for me.  Not sure I would call it bright but it just dials in the detail and tightens things up a bit more. Sheds any sense of bloat if it were there.  The synergy with the very robust Pro50 is ideal.  I am pretty floored with this set up at the moment.  Absolutely satisfied trying this versus going back to the W60 for $300 more.  

 

Almost hard to believe I was calling these warm and thick a week ago.  I am finding them absolutely ideal sounding at the moment with virtually ANY kind of music.  Glad to hear you are thinking the same way.  Perhaps that cable does what my amp does with the sound?

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What bright amp what you recommend?  So far, everything I come across is either neutral or colored (toward warm sig).

 

Have you tried Sony PHA-1, 2 or 3.  I am using the PHA2 with my UMPro30 and they sound better (less darker) than when I try them with my JDS C5D.  Just a thought.

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