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I guess I am apprehensive because though I have one coming in, people in the "amps that can drive the he6..." posted that the slightly more powerful 10ES didnt provide enough power for the he6. But Specs show plenty. Maybe Ill be the first to have them paired together?:(:popcorn: to report back atleast.

 

l read in a Spanish forum that the NFB-28 can hardly move the HE-6. ln fact, these guys said they had to turn the volume almost all the way up (amp in high gain, obviously, and HPs balanced)  and all the way up in some songs. They also said the Schiit Lyr moved them slightly better despite the specs claiming less power than the NFB-28... Just giving my bit, too :smile: 

 

Original (try google translator and a bit of guessing ;)):

 

"NFB-28 VS Schiit Lyr: Sorprendentemente, el Lyr es algo mas potente. Según el papel no es así, pero a la practica si. Con los HE-6 esto era bastante notorio, el Lyr los movía mejor. Eso si, con el pote casi a tope (o a tope). El NFB-28 también teníamos que ponerlo a tope con algunas canciones. Estos auriculares son muy muy buenos, pero la necesidad de potencia que tienen para mi es excesiva. A quien tenga tanto el Lyr como el NFB-28 no se los recomendaría. El resultado obtenido con los HE500 con estos amplis hace que los HE-6 no suenen mucho mejor. También se notaba que el Lyr colorea por arriba, los Hifiman sonaban un pelín brillantes con el. "

post #362 of 1580
That's what I read also. Dang it we'll what the freak is up with the specs!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lyr isn't even close to as powerful. Also the 10se is slightly more powerful. Well mine might be listed in the fs thread
Edited by grizzlybeast - 6/10/14 at 5:53pm
post #363 of 1580
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Originally Posted by IYAshike View Post

l read in a Spanish forum that the NFB-28 can hardly move the HE-6. ln fact, these guys said they had to turn the volume almost all the way up (amp in high gain, obviously, and HPs balanced)  and all the way up in some songs. They also said the Schiit Lyr moved them slightly better despite the specs claiming less power than the NFB-28... Just giving my bit, too smile.gif  

Original (try google translator and a bit of guessing wink.gif ):

"NFB-28 VS Schiit Lyr: Sorprendentemente, el Lyr es algo mas potente. Según el papel no es así, pero a la practica si. Con los HE-6 esto era bastante notorio, el Lyr los movía mejor. Eso si, con el pote casi a tope (o a tope). El NFB-28 también teníamos que ponerlo a tope con algunas canciones. Estos auriculares son muy muy buenos, pero la necesidad de potencia que tienen para mi es excesiva. A quien tenga tanto el Lyr como el NFB-28 no se los recomendaría. El resultado obtenido con los HE500 con estos amplis hace que los HE-6 no suenen mucho mejor. También se notaba que el Lyr colorea por arriba, los Hifiman sonaban un pelín brillantes con el. "


That is definitely not the case for me. HE6 sounded way too loud even at 50 or 60% volume on high gain for balanced out.
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I have read somewhere that the NFB-28 is very source dependent and that sometimes when people hook up portable DAP's that they have trouble getting volume from it. Could that be the factor here in the inconsistent experiences with the HE-6?
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post #365 of 1580
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That is definitely not the case for me. HE6 sounded way too loud even at 50 or 60% volume on high gain for balanced out.

l don't know Kkcc, l don't have any of the items (yet :rolleyes:) myself (NFB-28 or HE-6). Just quoted someone else's impressions/opinion (as if l quote your commentary...).

 

lf that is the case for you, great. l also hope it works that way for 'Grizzlybeast' :smile:...  

post #366 of 1580
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That is definitely not the case for me. HE6 sounded way too loud even at 50 or 60% volume on high gain for balanced out.

It depends on the music you are playing, for example I have concertos, live recordings or studio recordings that make me turn the volume to 80% and some others just 25% of it and its okey!

post #367 of 1580
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l don't know Kkcc, l don't have any of the items (yet rolleyes.gif ) myself (NFB-28 or HE-6). Just quoted someone else's impressions/opinion (as if l quote your commentary...).

lf that is the case for you, great. l also hope it works that way for 'Grizzlybeast' smile.gif ...  
That someone must be deaf right now.
I, too, used to listen at about 60/100 with my NFB-27, IIRC.
post #368 of 1580
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That's what I read also. Dang it we'll what the freak is up with the specs!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lyr isn't even close to as powerful. Also the 10se is slightly more powerful. Well mine might be listed in the fs thread
People on this forum just don't seem to get it. Its not the wattage, its the voltage @ specific amps.
post #369 of 1580
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Originally Posted by zach915m View Post

I have read somewhere that the NFB-28 is very source dependent and that sometimes when people hook up portable DAP's that they have trouble getting volume from it. Could that be the factor here in the inconsistent experiences with the HE-6?

This. Weaker sources do that. For instance, I listen at 40% - 50% 0db gain on PC and 50% - 60% 12db gain on the PS3...

post #370 of 1580
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This. Weaker sources do that. For instance, I listen at 40% - 50% 0db gain on PC and 50% - 60% 12db gain on the PS3...

All analog?

Or is it 16 (PC) vs 24-bit (PS3)?

post #371 of 1580
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

That's what I read also. Dang it we'll what the freak is up with the specs!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lyr isn't even close to as powerful. Also the 10se is slightly more powerful. Well mine might be listed in the fs thread
People on this forum just don't seem to get it. Its not the wattage, its the voltage @ specific amps.
rolleyes.gif People(me!) on this forum look at the recommended power output that HiFiMan and others here post and unfortunately they are rarely in volts. I for one have failed to fully look into it because I have never had a problem driving any headphone except the he6. For the average consumer this hobby doesn't take much technical knowledge. It's pretty easy to match things up without much worry. Especially with people trying everything together before you get a chance to.
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Originally Posted by zach915m View Post

I have read somewhere that the NFB-28 is very source dependent and that sometimes when people hook up portable DAP's that they have trouble getting volume from it. Could that be the factor here in the inconsistent experiences with the HE-6?
This. Weaker sources do that. For instance, I listen at 40% - 50% 0db gain on PC and 50% - 60% 12db gain on the PS3...
I wonder if an iMac falls into that category. It's def among the stronger of the sources I have had.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 6/11/14 at 10:08am
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That is definitely not the case for me. HE6 sounded way too loud even at 50 or 60% volume on high gain for balanced out.

It depends on the music you are playing, for example I have concertos, live recordings or studio recordings that make me turn the volume to 80% and some others just 25% of it and its okey!

 

It's definitely this. Listen to the latest and greatest for Katy Perry and you'll be fine. Recordings that have a high dynamic range will be the only ones with volume issues.

post #373 of 1580
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That is definitely not the case for me. HE6 sounded way too loud even at 50 or 60% volume on high gain for balanced out.

I'm in that forum and I tested the Lyr and the HE-6.

 

In most cases, I could not pass 50/60 steps of volume. You only can have problems of low volume at the max with very low volume recordings. But at the end I think the HE-6 needs more power, for me the HE-500 is a better match for the NFB-28. I guess that the HE-6 will be driven better with the Master 9, or even the SA-31SE, which is more powerful than the NFB-28. I have the NFB-28 conected to a computer and with the HE-500 usually have the volume arround 30 in High Gain.

 

Comparing the NFB-28 vs the Lyr, I think that the Audio GD is a better amp in every way. Is more neutral, refined, and smooth. I found that the Lyr sounds quite good, but for me, it lacks some overall refinement. The power output is very similar, but maybye the diferences with the HE-6 are because of the voltage. Anyway, I woud not recommend any of both to drive the HE-6 properly.


Edited by nserra - 6/11/14 at 10:39am
post #374 of 1580
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

All analog?

Or is it 16 (PC) vs 24-bit (PS3)?

PC is USB in [16 - 32 bit/44.1 - 192khz], PS3 is line/RCA in from a weak output of a DSP unit [DH applied, 16 bit/44.1 or 48 khz].


Edited by conquerator2 - 6/11/14 at 11:10am
post #375 of 1580

Gotcha.

 

I - and many other - had similar issues with Cowon DAPs: their output is just too weak for most desktop headphone amp's gain. Most DAP are like that because they lack true line out with 2V reference level (2V is quite extreme for ear buds or IEMs).

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