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Is listening music on CD on a computer the best way to listen to best quality music ?

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Or something else like converting music through a program?  Sorry if it may sound like a dumb question but I'm not familiar with these things.

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Or something else like converting music through a program?  Sorry if it may sound like a dumb question but I'm not familiar with these things.

Not necessary because the worse offender to good music from a PC/MAC is your internal soundcard or DAC.  Assuming you have a decent pair of headphones or IEM, getting an external USB DAC/AMP like the AudioQuest DragonFly will greatly improve the quality of the sound.  In terms of CD ripping, you can use lossless format like ALAC for iTunes, or dBpoweramp into FLAC.

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Not necessary because the worse offender to good music from a PC/MAC is your internal soundcard or DAC.  Assuming you have a decent pair of headphones or IEM, getting an external USB DAC/AMP like the AudioQuest DragonFly will greatly improve the quality of the sound.  In terms of CD ripping, you can use lossless format like ALAC for iTunes, or dBpoweramp into FLAC.

Agree'd i personally use a oDac, [a little cheaper than the DragonFly but not as user friendly] and I rip my CDs as Flac.

 

You could also try something like the Hifiman Hm 602, which has a built in DAC and is a Portable Music player as well. Then you could listen to your new Flacs at home and on the go! 

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I thought the question here was CD vs. library of files, not internal soundcard vs. external DAC? To which case, I would likely say (lossless, compressed or not) files are likely better... Since the ripping process does not have to be realtime, there's more room for error correction if there are imperfections at play in the disc. I also think once you start keeping them as rips, a backup strategy can fall nicely into place - my CDs are my ultimate backup, but I don't necessarily trust their longevity...

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I thought the question here was CD vs. library of files, not internal soundcard vs. external DAC? To which case, I would likely say (lossless, compressed or not) files are likely better... Since the ripping process does not have to be realtime, there's more room for error correction if there are imperfections at play in the disc. I also think once you start keeping them as rips, a backup strategy can fall nicely into place - my CDs are my ultimate backup, but I don't necessarily trust their longevity...

Your CD still needs to go through your PC/MAC DAC to produce sound, so it doesn't matter if you have the perfect CD reader / ripping / lossless encoding, it will sound bad if your DAC sucks.  BTW CDs last a lot shorter than most people think.  Due to UV and other high energy particles, over time your CD will develop holes in the metal layer.  And if a CD got too many holes on it, no amount of error correction is going to save it.  Just try to get same old CDs and hold them under a very bright light to see if you can spot any holes on it.

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Your CD still needs to go through your PC/MAC DAC to produce sound, so it doesn't matter if you have the perfect CD reader / ripping / lossless encoding, it will sound bad if your DAC sucks.  BTW CDs last a lot shorter than most people think.  Due to UV and other high energy particles, over time your CD will develop holes in the metal layer.  And if a CD got too many holes on it, no amount of error correction is going to save it.  Just try to get same old CDs and hold them under a very bright light to see if you can spot any holes on it.

Right, but saying 'buy a DAC' doesn't answer 'should I rip my CDs or listen straight off the disc.' I'm not in any way arguing against using an outboard DAC, just arguing against answering questions that aren't being asked. And when I said I don't necessarily trust the longevity of CDs, I was understating my opinion, frankly. Which is why going to rips from the get-go so one can apply a solid backup strategy is probably wiser than worrying about either from a sound quality POV. 

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Right, but saying 'buy a DAC' doesn't answer 'should I rip my CDs or listen straight off the disc.' I'm not in any way arguing against using an outboard DAC, just arguing against answering questions that aren't being asked. And when I said I don't necessarily trust the longevity of CDs, I was understating my opinion, frankly. Which is why going to rips from the get-go so one can apply a solid backup strategy is probably wiser than worrying about either from a sound quality POV. 

Then what on earth are you waiting for?  Just get EAC or dBpoweramp and get some 100% accurate CD rips.

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Then what on earth are you waiting for?  Just get EAC or dBpoweramp and get some 100% accurate CD rips.

I'm... not waiting for anything. My whole collection is properly ripped, with the disks in RAID, and backed up. I'm really rather unsure how you're interpreting what I've been saying. As far as I could tell, OP was asking about listening to the disc straight from your optical drive vs. ripping. Nobody answered that. I tried. I'm out of this one, it's gotten bizarre.

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I'm... not waiting for anything. My whole collection is properly ripped, with the disks in RAID, and backed up. I'm really rather unsure how you're interpreting what I've been saying. As far as I could tell, OP was asking about listening to the disc straight from your optical drive vs. ripping. Nobody answered that. I tried. I'm out of this one, it's gotten bizarre.

 

 

Yeah is what I was asking.  I got a Bifrost Uber and Asgard 2 btw.  I also have the HD600s, DT800 250 ohm pro and I just ordered the HE-500 5 minutes ago.

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Yeah is what I was asking.  I got a Bifrost Uber and Asgard 2 btw.  I also have the HD600s, DT800 250 ohm pro and I just ordered the HE-500 5 minutes ago.

Oh mai gawd, what have you listened to prior to these? Sound is best enjoyed when you learn to appreciate it, like starting with lossy out of an on board PC into a Sony MDR ZX300, 

 

and since your unsure about how you want to listen to your music... I'm a little worried your not am experinced listening, and honestly you might not appreciate the differance between those headphones 

 

Honestly I'd think the He 500 would negate the need for a Dt 880 Pro 250 ohm in a at home rig, in addition the HE 500 has a nice Mid does it not? Also negating the need for an HD 600 in an at home rig...

 

So I really worry about your listening experince and honestly... I'm worried you might not be able to enjoy those headphones individually... 

 

Granted there are subtle nuances in each can, but again... I worry about if you'll b able to hear them... 

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Oh mai gawd, what have you listened to prior to these? Sound is best enjoyed when you learn to appreciate it, like starting with lossy out of an on board PC into a Sony MDR ZX300, 

 

and since your unsure about how you want to listen to your music... I'm a little worried your not am experinced listening, and honestly you might not appreciate the differance between those headphones 

 

Honestly I'd think the He 500 would negate the need for a Dt 880 Pro 250 ohm in a at home rig, in addition the HE 500 has a nice Mid does it not? Also negating the need for an HD 600 in an at home rig...

 

So I really worry about your listening experince and honestly... I'm worried you might not be able to enjoy those headphones individually... 

 

Granted there are subtle nuances in each can, but again... I worry about if you'll b able to hear them... 

 

 

I listen to music I bought from itunes as well as CDs that were converted by itunes.  Also a bunch of music videos on youtube that are old as well as new.

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I listen to music I bought from itunes as well as CDs that were converted by itunes.  Also a bunch of music videos on youtube that are old as well as new.

ripping CDs will be a great improvement YouTube has horrible quality iTunes is sufficient so long as you are downloading ALAC or 320 K lossy files ALAC being a superior and preferred file format

still though you sound like a very common consumer and music listener. I would recommend that you keep all of your headphones at least 2 or 3 months to get really a custom to their sound

all three are similar yet have slightly different applications so in a sense they're all worthwhile to have

as always though just get use to downloading and ripping 16-bit flax n enjoy your music
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ripping CDs will be a great improvement YouTube has horrible quality iTunes is sufficient so long as you are downloading ALAC or 320 K lossy files ALAC being a superior and preferred file format

still though you sound like a very common consumer and music listener. I would recommend that you keep all of your headphones at least 2 or 3 months to get really a custom to their sound

all three are similar yet have slightly different applications so in a sense they're all worthwhile to have

as always though just get use to downloading and ripping 16-bit flax n enjoy your music

 

 

 

I know youtube has bad quality but I only watch music videos instead of getting music from youtube.  I converted my CDs I own a while ago and I think it either automatically converted them to 256 kbps aac or there were other options but I just didn't realize it.  Anyone know if itunes give options to convert to ALAC or other options?  Im too lazy to check myself right now.

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I know youtube has bad quality but I only watch music videos instead of getting music from youtube.  I converted my CDs I own a while ago and I think it either automatically converted them to 256 kbps aac or there were other options but I just didn't realize it.  Anyone know if itunes give options to convert to ALAC or other options?  Im too lazy to check myself right now.

I'm almost positive iTnes has options to convert for ALAC, and honestly before I got BIG into AudioPhila and all this gear, I had PLENTY of low like V4 v6 .mp3s on my computer. I went threw some of it about 5 months, ago... i Deleted all of it xD. And I almost flogged my self for ever listening to that junk! [Not the music it self but the horrid quality files] 

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Yes, iTunes has an ALAC option for importing CDs. It is "Apple Lossless " on the selection options.
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