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I will post some more pictures of other stuff at the show but look for my show review with Headfi member coverage  also.

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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

What you were hearing during that intense moment of sonic bliss-out was:

 

Carabou's remix of Radiohead's "Little by Little" 

 

I believe that is correct. A sonic treat.  L3000.gif

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I believe that is correct. A sonic treat.  L3000.gif

 

Indeed. I listened to the same track while I had my chance with the closed-back prototype.

 

Just the intro alone can separate true quality gears from the rest.

 

It kinda made me wonder how the modded T5P did with that track.

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The modded T5p was pretty amazing, to be sure. According to the guy that modded it though, all it is is a recable job. 

 

While I'm 50/50 on the effect of cables on gear, I'm still having a hard time swallowing that a recable job could do THAT much to it. 

 

Probably didn't help that the guy was being super secretive and sarcastic about the mod...

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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

Edit: oops, wrong one. I read T50RP.

 

Anyway...

 

Bass.

 

Purely bass. At dangerous levels.

 

And IMO, way too much of it.

 

It wasn't just a bump. Bass was clearly accentuated compared to the rest of the range. It was like having a Digizoid ZO attached permanently.

 

The rest of the range was pretty okay. But bass was a bit overpowering, so it drowned out other things.

 

Funny enough, Daft Punk's Derezzed (the original version) didn't quite sound like I hoped it would. I heard "dat pressure" out of a pair of powered vintage Pioneer speakers, and dang, was it powerful. Out of the T5P, something still seemed lacking.

 

Just for funzies, some of us tried to push that T5P through a ZO2.

 

Yes, we tried to push that modded T5P through a ZO2!

 

Bass distorted out of pretty much any level on the ZO2. So it seems like the drivers were pushed to their absolute limits already.

 

First, I am not sure what is way too much of bass. Most people blames the original t5p for "no bass at all", and the moded 5p (DN5p) does address the issue. Still, most people agree that the mod t5p (dn5p) has less bass than lcd2 or 3, less bass than th900, d7000, probably at same level with 009s and more than the hd800s with original cable. The bass is quite deep, tight and punchy thanks to beyers superb magnet arrangment.

 

But... it is far from PURE BASS comparing to other rigs at same price/performance level.

 

Then comparing bass of headphones and speakers is just pointless since your body feel the bass, but headphones cannot reproduce the effect, so something is always lacking

 

Distortion at any level? It is probably not drivers but the ZO2 is pushed to limits. DN5p is a very revealing rig, so the front end distorts, it just reveals it. If the driver really distorts, then why Nagra SD and countless other players drives the 5p properly.

 

 

 

For me, I am surprised that so many people just focus on the bass, which is just a bonus of the mod. Most of the owners will talk more about the level of detail and naturalness of presentation achieved on a portable system that excels many desktop setup

 

ps: Sorry for being secretive and sarcastic about the mod, at least it saves me the trouble to explain to each of these who just come and ask, how you mod it, thinking they can do the same thing, that it is not possible.


Edited by Music Daedalus - 8/15/13 at 5:36pm
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The modded T5P had enormous bass. Much more than the LCD2/3, TH900, D7000, and not the same level than 009s.

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The modded T5P had enormous bass. Much more than the LCD2/3, TH900, D7000, and not the same level than 009s.

Absolutely!  I just wrote about that INSANE bass in my Headmasters report for Part-Time Audiophile.

It was crazy, a bass-heads paradise.

 

And I had a blast listening to it!

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I believe that is correct. A sonic treat.  L3000.gif

YUP.

 

I picked that track on my MacBook Pro SSD/Amarra rig (Carabou's remix of Radiohead's "Little By Little") because it does separate the men from the boys right out-the-gate!

What a damn good time, listening to the Audeze closed-backs with you guys.

 

This Sunday night was the first time I ever heard my LCD3's, and for a split second (it didn't last too long) I was itching for something else:

 

Their closed-back!

I was truly seduced by it's liquid-like bass and midrange.  

It's midrange also sounded open and airy to me, great spacial separation.

 

I'm DAMN proud of Alex Rosson and the whole team at Audeze.

 

and Dan with the Alpha Dogs.  GEEZUS guys.  Things are really popping off now

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Just submitted my show coverage to Part-Time Audiophile - it focuses on Headmasters.

I'll ping it here when it goes online.

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YUP.

 

I picked that track on my MacBook Pro SSD/Amarra rig (Carabou's remix of Radiohead's "Little By Little") because it does separate the men from the boys right out-the-gate!

What a damn good time, listening to the Audeze closed-backs with you guys.

 

This Sunday night was the first time I ever heard my LCD3's, and for a split second (it didn't last too long) I was itching for something else:

 

Their closed-back!

I was truly seduced by it's liquid-like bass and midrange.  

It's midrange also sounded open and airy to me, great spacial separation.

 

I'm DAMN proud of Alex Rosson and the whole team at Audeze.

 

and Dan with the Alpha Dogs.  GEEZUS guys.  Things are really popping off now

 

Go on...biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Music Daedalus View Post

 

First, I am not sure what is way too much of bass. Most people blames the original t5p for "no bass at all", and the moded 5p (DN5p) does address the issue. Still, most people agree that the mod t5p (dn5p) has less bass than lcd2 or 3, less bass than th900, d7000, probably at same level with 009s and more than the hd800s with original cable. The bass is quite deep, tight and punchy thanks to beyers superb magnet arrangment.

 

I didn't mean to argue the point...


But just to add more to that, I actually think that T5P had more bass than anything else I have heard. And yeah, that includes the TH900 and D7000 present at the meet.

 

Even 009 out of the Liquid Glass didn't have that much bass.

 

Though I admit it is deep, tight and punchy. So maybe I'm alone in this, but seriously, I think that T5P had more bass than anything else I have heard, and just a tad too much for my ears.

 

Perhaps it's just my choice of music?

 

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Then comparing bass of headphones and speakers is just pointless since your body feel the bass, but headphones cannot reproduce the effect, so something is always lacking

 

I wasn't talking about the "feel", of course.

 

I meant to say that the feel of the bass drop at the intro of that track doesn't really feel that insane. It's funny because every other track I played back dropped bass much harder.

 

Again, maybe it's just my choice of music?

 

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Distortion at any level? It is probably not drivers but the ZO2 is pushed to limits. DN5p is a very revealing rig, so the front end distorts, it just reveals it. If the driver really distorts, then why Nagra SD and countless other players drives the 5p properly.

 

I thought it was the amplifier as well, so I pushed my W1000X and ES10 through that ZO2 just to make sure. The red level was really distorting the music, but orange and green were relatively clean.

 

I'd guess that the other players drove that T5P fine because they weren't trying to boost bass the same way that ZO2 was trying to do it.

 

Admittedly, though, we all did determine that the ZO2 had channel imbalance (I think a left-channel bias?), so it probably wasn't the right choice of equipment. If we had another amp with bass boost on hand, I would have tried that as well.

 

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For me, I am surprised that so many people just focus on the bass, which is just a bonus of the mod. Most of the owners will talk more about the level of detail and naturalness of presentation achieved on a portable system that excels many desktop setup

 

I think bass particularly jumped out and grabbed people with that pair that you guys brought.

 

Was that the same pair you brought to the February meet? Because back in February, I also had that moment with bass in those pair.

 

But all of that aside, I didn't mean to say that the modded T5P sounded "bad". Sorry if it seemed that way.

 

While bass was too much for me, it was very high quality, and not "Beats by Dr. Dre" by any stretch of imagination. What I could hear of the rest of the spectrum was indeed as you wrote: detailed and natural. If I may add, I also think the treble was spot on to my ears. It sparkled, but it didn't splash or flare, which was typical of the other Beyer headphones I have heard (T1 was especially prone to doing that). That and the midrange was clean and clear. In fact, I think that T5P presented Hotel California (Hell Freezes Over) perfectly. There was nothing missing.

 

And that would be my actual impression of the headphone.

 

But its bass is still too much for me. redface.gif

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