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post #2296 of 2705
Sorry to ask this question again but,

Does anyone know where to buy wire for recabling headphones in Hong Kong?
post #2297 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Shawn71 View Post

TF10. For now....

I think people said they've noticed the difference when they upgrade the stock tf10 cable but not me. Ymmv I guess.
post #2298 of 2705
The circular 8 braid, is that done freehand or on a round dowel that you remove after it is braided?
post #2299 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post

Here is the pic I made with the same cable, mine was up occ 7n grade silver plated copper with 7 strands on each wire.

I used 8 wires in total with the round braid pattern, its not very stiff once you pass 2 inch in length.


Damn. That is an amazing looking braid!

Link to cable used?

Think I might actually be leaning toward using awg 16/18 for the interconnects. Bit more body and would look better maybe.
Edited by Orihalcon - 7/19/14 at 7:54am
post #2300 of 2705
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

The circular 8 braid, is that done freehand or on a round dowel that you remove after it is braided?

 

It's done by hand with the aid of Kumihimo plate, but I didn't use Kumihimo 8 round pattern, just the regular 8 braid round pattern

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/81221/8-wire-litz-braid-instructions#post_930476 (post #5)

 

I only use Kumihimo because I was running out of fingers :), other alternative is to use the 8 wire clips to immobilize cable while you are working with the wire that you are working.

 

 

post #2301 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Orihalcon View Post


Damn. That is an amazing looking braid!

Link to cable used?

Think I might actually be leaning toward using awg 16/18 for the interconnects. Bit more body and would look better maybe.

Oops that was 19 strands per wire cable :) it's been long time :) (20 awg)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-0-50mm-Generic-High-Purity-Silver-Plated-OCC-Teflon-Wire-Headset-DIY-19-0-18-/320998603388?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

post #2302 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post

I think people said they've noticed the difference when they upgrade the stock tf10 cable but not me. Ymmv I guess.


Tbh, Im least worried about sound going DIY cable but there shd'nt be degradation either........

So you recommend viablue connector? I dont like angled neutriks either,plus they are bulky... Im fine with straight plug.how about Oyaide and furutechs?

And suggest me the cable pls,like I requested before,in my earlier post, about the type that is bang for the buck.

TY.
post #2303 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Shawn71 View Post


Tbh, Im least worried about sound going DIY cable but there shd'nt be degradation either........

So you recommend viablue connector? I dont like angled neutriks either,plus they are bulky... Im fine with straight plug.how about Oyaide and furutechs?

And suggest me the cable pls,like I requested before,in my earlier post, about the type that is bang for the buck.

TY.

 

To be honest, I hate viablue, very hard to solder and its doesn't have the grip like furutech/neutrik or other plugs. (Oyaide is bit hard to solder too but not as hard as viablue)

 

AVOID viablue at all cost !, I am serious.

 

And for the cable, are you going to braid or use some sort of nylon/techflex sleeve ?

 

If you are flexible with the budget I will probably get  DIY cable from plussound. (28 AWG 7N Pure UP-OCC Stranded Silver Plated Copper Custom Wire)

That's about $1.25 per ft, you will probably need 3-4 feet ? so 4 feet x 4 wires braid x 1.25 = $20. + connector (about $40), this will last long time.

post #2304 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post

To be honest, I hate viablue, very hard to solder and its doesn't have the grip like furutech/neutrik or other plugs. (Oyaide is bit hard to solder too but not as hard as viablue)

AVOID viablue at all cost !, I am serious.

And for the cable, are you going to braid or use some sort of nylon/techflex sleeve ?

If you are flexible with the budget I will probably get  DIY cable from plussound. (28 AWG 7N Pure UP-OCC Stranded Silver Plated Copper Custom Wire)
That's about $1.25 per ft, you will probably need 3-4 feet ? so 4 feet x 4 wires braid x 1.25 = $20. + connector (about $40), this will last long time.

How about the other cable you provided the ebay link of 10meters? Its not good?

What cable did you use for your UE900?

Braid or nylon flex sleeve, any technical advantage over the other? Pls differntiate...

Sorry for shooting many questions but I want to make sure on the cable part......

Oh btw,if the 3.5mm connectors doesnt make much difference against ordinary gold plated,Im fine with the latter to be on budget side.
post #2305 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post

It's done by hand with the aid of Kumihimo plate, but I didn't use Kumihimo 8 round pattern, just the regular 8 braid round pattern

http://www.head-fi.org/t/81221/8-wire-litz-braid-instructions#post_930476 (post #5)

I only use Kumihimo because I was running out of fingers smily_headphones1.gif, other alternative is to use the 8 wire clips to immobilize cable while you are working with the wire that you are working.





Much appreciated, thanks for the info! I'll have to find me one of these on eBay or see if Michaels has one.
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post #2306 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Shawn71 View Post


How about the other cable you provided the ebay link of 10meters? Its not good?

What cable did you use for your UE900?

Braid or nylon flex sleeve, any technical advantage over the other? Pls differntiate...

Sorry for shooting many questions but I want to make sure on the cable part......

Oh btw,if the 3.5mm connectors doesnt make much difference against ordinary gold plated,Im fine with the latter to be on budget side.

 

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Originally Posted by Shawn71 View Post


How about the other cable you provided the ebay link of 10meters? Its not good?

What cable did you use for your UE900?

Braid or nylon flex sleeve, any technical advantage over the other? Pls differntiate...

Sorry for shooting many questions but I want to make sure on the cable part......

Oh btw,if the 3.5mm connectors doesnt make much difference against ordinary gold plated,Im fine with the latter to be on budget side.

 

For my UE900 : I used  7 strands, but I will not suggest this one cause it's very stiff.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-0-12mm-Generic-High-Purity-Silver-Plated-OCC-Teflon-Wire-FR-Audio-DIY-0-15x7-/221137701212?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

 

For my interconnects, I used 19 strands one, this is a very good wire, you can use this one for any interconnects.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-0-50mm-Generic-High-Purity-Silver-Plated-OCC-Teflon-Wire-Headset-DIY-19-0-18-/320998603388?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

 

Techflex vs Nylon sleeve

I use techflex for interconnects only, nylon for headphone cables. But for IEMs if you don't take it to the gym you can use the nylon, for gym iems, since you will be sweating a lot, both soft techflex or nylon will accumulate the mold. I don't use any sleeve for iems since I sweat a lot when I exercise.

Cheap Techflex sleeves tend to produce more microphonics than nylon sleeve when you touch the cord/wire. As long as you don't move a lot techflex will be fine as well. But my choice will be nylon sleeve for iem. (I made few headphone cables using techflex as well and it's fine for me) 

 

Gold vs Silver connectors

For me I used both, gold plated or silver plated and didn't make any sound difference altho technically silver should give a better sound quality since it has the highest electrical conductive rating. 

However, gold last longer than both silver/copper since silver/copper causes corrosion over the time due to air (oxidization). IMO iem connectors should always be gold plated.

My previous version of UE900 connectors were silver plated and didn't last long due to sweat, wet air etc. Ultimate Ears recently upgraded all theirs to gold plated I believe.

 

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You also have to consider what kind of solder you use, lead free vs one with lead etc, brand, quality, etc. But all this nitty gritty stuff is beyond me. :)

post #2307 of 2705

I don't find the Viablue difficult to solder at all. 

post #2308 of 2705
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post


For my UE900 : I used  7 strands, but I will not suggest this one cause it's very stiff.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-0-12mm-Generic-High-Purity-Silver-Plated-OCC-Teflon-Wire-FR-Audio-DIY-0-15x7-/221137701212?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

For my interconnects, I used 19 strands one, this is a very good wire, you can use this one for any interconnects.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-0-50mm-Generic-High-Purity-Silver-Plated-OCC-Teflon-Wire-Headset-DIY-19-0-18-/320998603388?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

Techflex vs Nylon sleeve
I use techflex for interconnects only, nylon for headphone cables. But for IEMs if you don't take it to the gym you can use the nylon, for gym iems, since you will be sweating a lot, both soft techflex or nylon will accumulate the mold. I don't use any sleeve for iems since I sweat a lot when I exercise.
Cheap Techflex sleeves tend to produce more microphonics than nylon sleeve when you touch the cord/wire. As long as you don't move a lot techflex will be fine as well. But my choice will be nylon sleeve for iem. (I made few headphone cables using techflex as well and it's fine for me) 

Gold vs Silver connectors
For me I used both, gold plated or silver plated and didn't make any sound difference altho technically silver should give a better sound quality since it has the highest electrical conductive rating. 
However, gold last longer than both silver/copper since silver/copper causes corrosion over the time due to air (oxidization). IMO iem connectors should always be gold plated.
My previous version of UE900 connectors were silver plated and didn't last long due to sweat, wet air etc. Ultimate Ears recently upgraded all theirs to gold plated I believe.

MISC
You also have to consider what kind of solder you use, lead free vs one with lead etc, brand, quality, etc. But all this nitty gritty stuff is beyond me. smily_headphones1.gif

Thank you very much for your time and advice.......Help is much appreciated.
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post #2309 of 2705

I got some navships silver plated teflon wire..  for headphone cables does shielding matter?  What do people do for shielding when they buy bare teflon insulated wires like this?

Also does the conductor that you solder to ground/shield on the connector not count as shielding if it's just a wire and not something that covers the whole cable?

 

My imagination says they use this:

 


Edited by uncola - 7/26/14 at 2:30pm
post #2310 of 2705
To be honest I think rfi and emi interference should not be that prevalent in a house...unless you have an electric fence running through your home haha. I know signal interference does occur...but for the average person this will never be an issue I believe.

At least that is what my Google reading have disclosed thus far.

Perhaps some people here can share the cases where they did experience these issues?
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