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post #1681 of 2582
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

We have Testers and a Fox & Hound set, he calls me while I am onsite other places with a "Lights 2 & 6 don't light up, is there something wrong with this tester?"... Monoprice doesn't sell what he needs. biggrin.gif

 

LMAO.  Yeah, for bosses like that there's only one solution.  Sadly, there's no such thing as the perfect crime ;)

 

re: the question: crappy crimper...?  Like the tester linked to above, I've gotten a bad crimp or two with the budget crimper from Monoprice.  No excuse for a business to be buying that cheap, though.  For home projects, they do nicely.  It's like my $5 mulitmeter.  Works great for me.

post #1682 of 2582
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

LMAO.  Yeah, for bosses like that there's only one solution.  Sadly, there's no such thing as the perfect crime ;)

 

re: the question: crappy crimper...?  Like the tester linked to above, I've gotten a bad crimp or two with the budget crimper from Monoprice.  No excuse for a business to be buying that cheap, though.  For home projects, they do nicely.  It's like my $5 mulitmeter.  Works great for me.


No its a decent crimper with good dies.


It's just him... and possibly the RJ45 ends he found for $1/100, "Just as good as those expensive Amp ones..." :rolleyes:

post #1683 of 2582
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post

I fully understand those very valid concerns except I am not convinced of the air gap being a day ruiner (until I hear with my ears).   I will use the cable mainly in my office so it's not intended to be portable.

Tempo Electric sells the silver wire (bare wire no jacket) at very reasonable price. I will use stranded copper wires for ground. The stranded ground wires will also improve the flexibility.

Hey this is about hobby and I can always recable it again. smily_headphones1.gif

BTW, have you done recabling with solid core silver wires? I am curious if your "day ruiner" conclusion has been drawn from your own experience.

I do, pure silver solid core has very good sound, I used it for my TF10 and my Fitear 111.
good choice to use it with cotton sleeving, its more flexible and stronger than use heatshrink.
the issue maybe just a little rigid and microphonic.
I used it recently at home or office.
post #1684 of 2582
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

I am actually thinking about using solid core silver wires with cotton dielectric for recabling my EX1000. I know it won't be as flexible as the conventional wires, but my curiosity at this point overrules the concern over cable flexibility.

If you are committed, then go for it and see for yourself the positives and negatives.  I will simply reiterate that solid core isn't meant to flex repeatedly and while it might work fine in the short term, you are almost certain to get a break at some point.  I have had solid silver break mid-cable inside of its teflon sleeve which made it so big a pain to fix that I didn't bother.  It was used in a desktop environment with full-sized headphones.  Also had a wire break on a short mini to mini, though it was easier to fix.  

post #1685 of 2582

I was going to make a desktop cable for the Alpha Dogs and was considering venturing into the Tempo Electric's solid cord with over-sized Teflon. I was going to order different Teflon that would still be over-sized but smaller ID/OD - Something like ID:2mm OD: 4mm. To make it cheaper, I did plan on using copper grounds. Doing unbalanced to begin with. I'm assuming the dielectric of the ground wouldn't really matter, yeah? Cause I thought it would look cool to spiral some color of Mogami or Canare grounds around the outside of the Teflon and finished it all off with some Techflex. 

 

Would it be better to keep the ground further separated rather than my intended plan? I had considered placing a sleeving around the Teflon and then running the ground around that. 

 

Not that worried about it breaking as this is an experiment. Whatever the results are, so be it. That said, I'd like to implement the design of the cable for maximum theoretical benefits, and then make adjustments from there. Thoughts?

 

One final question pertaining to the design of Tempo Electric's cable/interconnect style. They quote studies about air dielectric and it's benefits and how over-sized Teflon mimics those benefits (for the most part). Then they use heat shrink at each end for obvious reasons. That comes in contact with the wire, albeit for only a short length of the wire, but still is a constant on the wire during operation. Isn't that almost purpose defeating? (Not sure, that's why I'm asking). 

post #1686 of 2582

Good question about defeating the air-dielectric purpose from using heat shrinks, but for practical reason there have to be some sacrifices by using the heat shrinks to secure the cable. From my own experience trying lod cables using different wires (including some of the quality wires frequently mentioned at HF) for my diymods, the one made of solid-core pure silver with cotton sleeve just wins my ears. This is the reason I want to try similar wires for recabling my iem's.

 

I used the Tempo Electric silver wires (30 awg) before for my diymod project, and those wires are softer and more flexible than other types of wires of the same gauge. As long as you don't bend the solid core sharply back and forth, I believe it should have sufficient ductility to last long enough with care. The breaking is not my major concern since I don't intend to put it in my pocket everyday as I do with my EX1000 stock cable. Using stranded ground wires will help to improve the flexibility.

 

Now my question: For 24 awg solid core, what size of cotton sleeves I should get and where to get them? 

post #1687 of 2582
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

Good question about defeating the air-dielectric purpose from using heat shrinks, but for practical reason there have to be some sacrifices by using the heat shrinks to secure the cable. From my own experience trying lod cables using different wires (including some of the quality wires frequently mentioned at HF) for my diymods, the one made of solid-core pure silver with cotton sleeve just wins my ears. This is the reason I want to try similar wires for recabling my iem's.

 

I used the Tempo Electric silver wires (30 awg) before for my diymod project, and those wires are softer and more flexible than other types of wires of the same gauge. As long as you don't bend the solid core sharply back and forth, I believe it should have sufficient ductility to last long enough with care. The breaking is not my major concern since I don't intend to put it in my pocket everyday as I do with my EX1000 stock cable. Using stranded ground wires will help to improve the flexibility.

 

Now my question: For 24 awg solid core, what size of cotton sleeves I should get and where to get them? 

I use 1,3mm sleeves for 24 awg (for interconnects at least). You could probably go a little tighter and go for 1mm or something like that. 

post #1688 of 2582
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Originally Posted by skalkman View Post
 

I use 1,3mm sleeves for 24 awg (for interconnects at least). You could probably go a little tighter and go for 1mm or something like that. 

 

Maybe this one?

 

http://www.partsconnexion.com/product7523.html

post #1689 of 2582
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

 

Maybe this one?

 

http://www.partsconnexion.com/product7523.html

That would work though it's almost 2 mm thicker than the wire. There's gonna be a lot of loose fabric if you use that with a 24 awg wire. I would still recommend that you get something closer to 1mm (~0.04 inches). 

post #1690 of 2582
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Originally Posted by skalkman View Post
 

That would work though it's almost 2 mm thicker than the wire. There's gonna be a lot of loose fabric if you use that with a 24 awg wire. I would still recommend that you get something closer to 1mm (~0.04 inches). 

 

The 1mm is ID, correct? That link shows an OD of 2.54mm so I thought it may fit.

 

BTW, do you know where to order other than that link? Thanks

post #1691 of 2582
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

Good question about defeating the air-dielectric purpose from using heat shrinks, but for practical reason there have to be some sacrifices by using the heat shrinks to secure the cable. From my own experience trying lod cables using different wires (including some of the quality wires frequently mentioned at HF) for my diymods, the one made of solid-core pure silver with cotton sleeve just wins my ears. This is the reason I want to try similar wires for recabling my iem's.

 

I used the Tempo Electric silver wires (30 awg) before for my diymod project, and those wires are softer and more flexible than other types of wires of the same gauge. As long as you don't bend the solid core sharply back and forth, I believe it should have sufficient ductility to last long enough with care. The breaking is not my major concern since I don't intend to put it in my pocket everyday as I do with my EX1000 stock cable. Using stranded ground wires will help to improve the flexibility.

 

Now my question: For 24 awg solid core, what size of cotton sleeves I should get and where to get them? 

I have bought cotton from VT4C before that is pretty nice:  http://www.vt4c.com/shop/program/main.php?cat_id=22&group_id=3&hit_cat=

 

They have many sizes as well as silk tubing for a good price.  Shipping from HK is pretty reasonable.  The stuff I have is a fairly loose weave which allows it to handle multiple wires, but it can also be stretched a bit, shrinking the ID to a comfortable size for a single wire.  I don't think you need too tight a fit, especially if you are going for the whole air dialectric thing that Tempo is a fan of.

 

Depending on where you are, I could send you a bunch of what I have for a couple bux to cover shipping.  PM me if interested.

post #1692 of 2582

@FraGGleR, thanks for the offer and really appreciated.

 

Let me figure out first what I need for the sleeve thing. OK first I need to put cotton sleeve for each wire individually, and then I will need to put a pair of cotton-sleeved wires and a pair of stranded wires in a single sleeve. I am wondering how I can do that since the cotton sleeves are slippery unless it's very tight.  Also what size of the sleeves I need for 1) one pair of cotton sleeved wires and one pair of stranded wires, and 2) one cotton sleeved wire and one stranded wire (after the split)

 

I bought the cotton-sleeved wires from Homegrown Audio before and those wires are wrapped very tight with the cotton.

post #1693 of 2582

I'm trying to make a shielded stereo 3.5mm mini to dual RCA cable, but I'm having trouble finding two shielded cables thin enough to both fit in the 3.5 mm jack.

 

I don't want to use a single cable and split it, because I'd like a shield the whole way through, to each RCA. There are some cables, like this dual channel mogami[http://www.markertek.com/Cables/Bulk-Wire-Cable/Bulk-Audio-Cable/Mogami-Wire-Cable-Corp/W2528-328.xhtml?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=3786&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=57323532382d333238&gclid=CLjLhcPDuL0CFQ2hOgod5xIAzw] that would work too, but that one is too thick to fit the mini plug. Any ideas?

post #1694 of 2582
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Originally Posted by T.B.N. View Post
 

I'm trying to make a shielded stereo 3.5mm mini to dual RCA cable, but I'm having trouble finding two shielded cables thin enough to both fit in the 3.5 mm jack.

 

I don't want to use a single cable and split it, because I'd like a shield the whole way through, to each RCA. There are some cables, like this dual channel mogami[http://www.markertek.com/Cables/Bulk-Wire-Cable/Bulk-Audio-Cable/Mogami-Wire-Cable-Corp/W2528-328.xhtml?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=3786&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=57323532382d333238&gclid=CLjLhcPDuL0CFQ2hOgod5xIAzw] that would work too, but that one is too thick to fit the mini plug. Any ideas?

Which 3.5mm are you using?  I have tested that Mogami cable as a temporary headphone cable before and it fits into a couple 3.5mm plugs that I know of.  In fact, I have the cable available with a Doublehelixcables 3.5mm already attached with bare ends after the split that I could let go of for a few dollars.  PM me if interested.

post #1695 of 2582
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post
 

Which 3.5mm are you using?  I have tested that Mogami cable as a temporary headphone cable before and it fits into a couple 3.5mm plugs that I know of.  In fact, I have the cable available with a Doublehelixcables 3.5mm already attached with bare ends after the split that I could let go of for a few dollars.  PM me if interested.

It's a switchcraft 3.5 mm plug, .290" opening for cable. I was looking at this ( http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/microphone/stereo/ ) data sheet and it seems to say that the width of the double cable is 4.8mm X 2, which I guess wouldn't fit the switch craft. Maybe your connector is wider? I wouldn't mind using two separate shielded cables if they were thin enough to go through the opening of the mini plug together.

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