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post #976 of 1228
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Define better bass quality. The only reason why those same people say the newer 407 or 507 have better bass quality are comparing to LCD's or HD800's most of the time, comparison between it and the older line are only done by a handful bunch of people here such nerdling, Stax mafia and non active low count posters. Buy 404LE/507 (they use the same leather pads) put it any Lambda model and you will instantly have more bass.

As I said before, the old vintage Lambda models are more, balanced, neutral and realistic sounding then the modern Lambda garbage Stax has been producing since the last good Lambda and that was the LNS. The x02 series ain't half bad but Stax went back to the same old with the 207-507 with bumpung up the brightness to give users to perceive more detail retrieval.

I said it right in that quote - our fearless leader cited the 507 having cleaner bass response than other Lambdas. Whether this is a function of pads is beyond my guess, but members of the mafia also compared the 507 favorably against the 404LE (in fact someone may have preferred it). These are not from the typical headphone user but rather from experienced Stax ears.

In the investigation (not on this forum), Stax mafia also concluded that the 507 was as good a Lambda choice as any. With a pad swap the 407 shouldn't be any different and even the 307 might be more of the same.

In any case another member's allegation that most Stax veterans prefer the older series is untrue if we are all referring to the Stax mafia. Your impressions seem to be the odd one out here..

Yes the X07 series is a bit bright, but they don't exhibit the upper midrange etch present on most older Lambdas. Another issue with the X07 is the construction, as they are far heavier (denser plastic) and not as comfortable.
Edited by 3X0 - 2/21/14 at 7:31am
post #977 of 1228

Just picked up the 407 from the post office!  Got these from Justin at Headamp.  The build quality is much nicer than I expected.  I thought they would be flimsy and light but they have some nice weight to them and feel solid.  Now if I only had an amp already to hear them with...  argh

 

 

post #978 of 1228
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

I said it right in that quote - our fearless leader cited the 507 having cleaner bass response than other Lambdas. Whether this is a function of pads is beyond my guess, but members of the mafia also compared the 507 favorably against the 404LE (in fact someone may have preferred it). These are not from the typical headphone user but rather from experienced Stax ears.

In the investigation (not on this forum), Stax mafia also concluded that the 507 was as good a Lambda choice as any. With a pad swap the 407 shouldn't be any different and even the 307 might be more of the same.

In any case another member's allegation that most Stax veterans prefer the older series is untrue if we are all referring to the Stax mafia. Your impressions seem to be the odd one out here..

Yes the X07 series is a bit bright, but they don't exhibit the upper midrange etch present on most older Lambdas. Another issue with the X07 is the construction, as they are far heavier (denser plastic) and not as comfortable.

I am on here definatly on DefCons side having owned or at least listened extensivly most Stax HP. The last excellent (neutral) Lambda was the 404le even thoug many will like the more moder (mid bass hump) sound of the x07 line.
Edited by cucera - 2/21/14 at 2:05pm
post #979 of 1228

Unless mafia opinions have somehow flipped around in the past 2 years, that's a minority opinion. Please don't label it as a general consensus as it's beyond misleading.

 

It's as simple as googling "Stax SR-507" to find what the mafia generally thinks about the X07 series.


Edited by 3X0 - 2/21/14 at 2:25pm
post #980 of 1228
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


I said it right in that quote - our fearless leader cited the 507 having cleaner bass response than other Lambdas. Whether this is a function of pads is beyond my guess, but members of the mafia also compared the 507 favorably against the 404LE (in fact someone may have preferred it). These are not from the typical headphone user but rather from experienced Stax ears.

In the investigation (not on this forum), Stax mafia also concluded that the 507 was as good a Lambda choice as any. With a pad swap the 407 shouldn't be any different and even the 307 might be more of the same.

In any case another member's allegation that most Stax veterans prefer the older series is untrue if we are all referring to the Stax mafia. Your impressions seem to be the odd one out here..

Yes the X07 series is a bit bright, but they don't exhibit the upper midrange etch present on most older Lambdas. Another issue with the X07 is the construction, as they are far heavier (denser plastic) and not as comfortable.

Yeah, I think your remembering an opinion that is pretty old.  Definitely not the opinion now.

post #981 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Yeah, I think your remembering an opinion that is pretty old.  Definitely not the opinion now.
Burden of proof is on you, not on me. Unlike your allegations, the impressions I'm referencing are readily available and reflect the opinions of some of the most esteemed members of the Stax community.

Tell me, if the landscape hasn't changed and the Stax mafia is still the Stax mafia how could you reasonably expect those impressions to have changed? They are not a crew to swoon from sonic traps such as emphasized bass or tipped-up treble and then capriciously change their opinion years later.

Other established opinions like a general preference of the SR-007Mk1 over the SR-007Mk2 were cemented relatively quickly, and this consensus is also readily available.
Edited by 3X0 - 2/21/14 at 6:22pm
post #982 of 1228

oh well.  enjoy the music.

post #983 of 1228
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Burden of proof is on you, not on me. Unlike your allegations, the impressions I'm referencing are readily available and reflect the opinions of some of the most esteemed members of the Stax community.

Tell me, if the landscape hasn't changed and the Stax mafia is still the Stax mafia how could you reasonably expect those impressions to have changed? They are not a crew to swoon from sonic traps such as emphasized bass or tipped-up treble and then capriciously change their opinion years later.

Other established opinions like a general preference of the SR-007Mk1 over the SR-007Mk2 were cemented relatively quickly, and this consensus is also readily available.

I think you are fighting here over nothing. DefQon and me speak for ourselves as experienced Stax users. You voiced your opinion as another. :pWhether this is consensus or not doesn't matter, anybody can search for himself. And please let the Stax mafia speak for themself. Any imposter might be in life danger.tongue.gif
post #984 of 1228
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Originally Posted by cucera View Post

I think you are fighting here over nothing. DefQon and me speak for ourselves as experienced Stax users. You voiced your opinion as another. :pWhether this is consensus or not doesn't matter, anybody can search for himself. And please let the Stax mafia speak for themself. Any imposter might be in life danger.tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by cucera View Post

Zhe newer ones are voiced to what Stax seems to see as a more modern sound. The boomier bass has his fans but most Stax veterans prefer the older ones.
I'm not really voicing my opinion, I'm just preventing misconception. It's not that I don't respect your opinion, but that I fundamentally disagree with how you've presented it.

FYI, the SR-507 compares favorably to the HE60 in overall merit.
Edited by 3X0 - 2/21/14 at 11:36pm
post #985 of 1228
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


I said it right in that quote - our fearless leader cited the 507 having cleaner bass response than other Lambdas. Whether this is a function of pads is beyond my guess, but members of the mafia also compared the 507 favorably against the 404LE (in fact someone may have preferred it). These are not from the typical headphone user but rather from experienced Stax ears.

In the investigation (not on this forum), Stax mafia also concluded that the 507 was as good a Lambda choice as any. With a pad swap the 407 shouldn't be any different and even the 307 might be more of the same.

In any case another member's allegation that most Stax veterans prefer the older series is untrue if we are all referring to the Stax mafia. Your impressions seem to be the odd one out here..

Yes the X07 series is a bit bright, but they don't exhibit the upper midrange etch present on most older Lambdas. Another issue with the X07 is the construction, as they are far heavier (denser plastic) and not as comfortable.

Pardon me but that's a load of bollocks and you need to reference each section I'm going to break down as I follow both forums attentively. 

 

"our fearless leader cited the 507 having cleaner bass response than other Lambdas. Whether this is a function of pads is beyond my guess, but members of the mafia also compared the 507 favorably against the 404LE (in fact someone may have preferred it). These are not from the typical headphone user but rather from experienced Stax ears."

 

Who is this fearless leader? MF? You do realise when I say Stax Mafia I'm only referring to select few only on the other site and that's including the original members KG and Birgir. I'm unsure about KG but spritzer dislikes the 507 and prefers the original NB Lambda's to it. I think the other other user that sort likes the 407 and originally said the 407 with 507 pads = 507 sound is that guys alias that starts with an L with the Jiggawatts sticker on his KGSSHV (not luvdunhill but his name ain't ringing a bell atm). 

 

There is no such thing upper mid range etch in any of the Lambda's get your opinion facts straight, what you're referring to is the infamous treble etch on the original Lambda Pro's, Lambda Signature and the Lambda Pro Classic but I've never found it to be much of an annoyance as my LP's are powered off the SRD-7 MK2 off a class a 85wpc hybrid tube amp, so the harmonic distortion smooths the bright treble a bit. It was not present on "most" of the older Lambda models, if anything the newer Lambda's have gone off to tilt brightness in the treble that the old LP's had. MOAR BRIGHTNESS = BETTER DETAIL. :rolleyes:

 

Some reference from faust3d and ed

http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=Stax_SR-%CE%9B_Signature

http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=Stax_SR-%CE%9B_Nova_Signature

http://www.head-fi.org/t/443060/is-the-stax-lambda-signature-supposed-to-be-damped-on-second-thought-ditch-the-foam-backing-on-all-the-lambdas

 

The 207/307/407 share the same plastic housing as the 202(later serial based units with new 202/207 black pads)/303 and 404. Both gen's of Lambda's are different to the old Lambda model named variants and the older vintage units are more comfortable due to the lesser clamping force from the headband.

 

If anything that has been stated, your statements have been the odd one out, not mine.

post #986 of 1228
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


Burden of proof is on you, not on me. Unlike your allegations, the impressions I'm referencing are readily available and reflect the opinions of some of the most esteemed members of the Stax community.

 

Sorry, this sounds just a bit elitist...:o.

 

I think it sounds a bit off putting in an ENTRY level thread.

post #987 of 1228
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Pardon me but that's a load of bollocks and you need to reference each section I'm going to break down as I follow both forums attentively.
Look up "SR-507 Investigation" there.

"I must say the 507 is growing on me with the APL/BHSE setup. It's no Omega in terms of soundstage, bass, midrange presence or detail retrieval but for the price it eats a HD800 for dinner and stands up to the HE60."

"The 303 was very similar to the 404 and both have the annoying midrange etch."

"As for the 507, I like them more and more which for me is the true mark of something great. Feed them a complex bass line and they do show their limitation but the lack of the "Lambda boom" is a very welcome thing. The midrange is more forward then a Omega but it is very similar to the HE60, with no etch or shouting."

"The bass is indeed improved but mostly by being cleaner than the usual Lambda. [ . . . ] If you are going to buy a Lambda then you can't go wrong with the 507."

But I've been perusing a bit more to give you the benefit of the doubt and do notice that recently the don favored the 207 over the 507, citing the latter's bass response and treble prominence to be an issue. That was out of the BHSE however; it's not bad out of the 323S (presumably not the 252S either, though I haven't tried that particular pairing).

Eating some words I stated earlier, it seems his opinion has indeed changed over the course of the past two years, at least at a public level -- but note that he shifted his immediate vantage point from other Lambdas to well-driven SR-007s. These vantage points should be a non-issue for individuals coming from the likes of everyday dynamics and just want to taste electrostatics.
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Sorry, this sounds just a bit elitist...redface.gif .

I think it sounds a bit off putting in an ENTRY level thread.
It was tongue-in-cheek. I'm not a member of the mafia (I think the SR-007 and other products they worship are highly overrated, which instantly puts me out), but I respect their expertise and opinions.

It just seems a bit silly to hate on any entry-level Lambdas (be it LNB or SR-X07), and it causes needless amounts of headache for people who just want to get their feet wet here. FUD is a bad enough problem in the high-end Stax thread as-is (try to find someone who'll bite on a new SR-007 SZ3) and I'd hate to see it trickle down here because of some exaggeration.
Edited by 3X0 - 2/22/14 at 11:55am
post #988 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

oh well.  enjoy the music.

To say the least. Dreary & uninteresting reading.
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Nevermind smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by mangler - 2/22/14 at 1:44pm
post #990 of 1228

Looking for an entry-level speaker amp to pair with my energizers (SRD-7/SB, standard and mk2). My old Yamaha AX-470 is dying...

Cans : SR-5, SR-Lambda...and SR-009, when not using my SRM-727II.

 

Ali

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