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post #556 of 1303
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post


Depends on your source and amp driving the HD800. I also prefer a basic Lambda setup over a mediocre driven HD800 except for classical and orchestra which the HD800's just annihilate anything on. Given I've heard my HD800's on some TOTL amps I can say it is very nice and a level ahead of the Lambdas. Wouldn't use the commonly used hyperbole of night and day different as they both have an airy presentation.

PS Headfi mobile is broken as schitt.

 

My 800 rig is:

 

800 with silver cable..

Taboo mkII ,Metrum dac,jriver18.all flac files.

post #557 of 1303
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post
 

Yes.  I was also considering that, but it appears that most of them require me to have a speaker amp to connect the transformer box to, which I don't currently have.  Sorry if my terminology isn't correct here, but you know what I mean.  If I understand correctly, I could hook up a 2170 to my current DAC and see how 'stats sound.

 

Edit:  I definitely have a lot to learn about Stax and what amps can drive which headphones and which ones need to be hooked up to speaker taps, etc.  It would be nice if there was some sort of guide to getting started.

 

Correct.

You can hook up the SRS-2170 directly to your DAC.

 

I often use my SRS-2170 directly from the line outs on my CD player (remember those? :wink_face:)

post #558 of 1303
I know I'm a bit late to the k701/2 discussion but I am currently using them as my main headphones. This is strange for me to say because I hated them for years. It's only because of my Torpedo tube amplifier that I'm able to enjoy them. This particular amp (with 6J6 tubes) tames the forward midrange and treble slightly. The result sounds excellent.

Anyway, the whole reason I switched to this headphone full-time is because my recent experience with the lambda pro / srm1 mk2 (owned by tus-chan). The resolution and speed displayed by the stax was other-worldly to my ears. I've never heard multiple instrument lines and separation like that before. I was experiencing my favorite albums for what seemed like the first time.

When I got home I listened to each of my headphones (I have a lot) and discovered that my k702 was the closest thing that I own in terms of reaching the air, clarity, separation and extension of the lambda. The 702 is significantly faster and offers better resolution than all of my other headphones. With that said, it still can't even come within a mile of the stax detail level.

While I'm at it, I'll also say that the hd800 is off my wishlist as well. I spent enough time with it (with two great tube amps and sacd players) to know it can't really compete with stax resolution either. Perhaps if you paired it with a highly neutral ss amp it would be better. Anyway I digress.

Moral of the story, stax has ruined dynamics for me for the most part. My ears have been opened so to speak. Every extra dollar I save is being placed into my stax-fund.
post #559 of 1303
Stax is really fantastic, the speed is like never running out of breath.
post #560 of 1303
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Punnisher View Post

I know I'm a bit late to the k701/2 discussion but I am currently using them as my main headphones. This is strange for me to say because I hated them for years. It's only because of my Torpedo tube amplifier that I'm able to enjoy them. This particular amp (with 6J6 tubes) tames the forward midrange and treble slightly. The result sounds excellent.

Anyway, the whole reason I switched to this headphone full-time is because my recent experience with the lambda pro / srm1 mk2 (owned by tus-chan). The resolution and speed displayed by the stax was other-worldly to my ears. I've never heard multiple instrument lines and separation like that before. I was experiencing my favorite albums for what seemed like the first time.

When I got home I listened to each of my headphones (I have a lot) and discovered that my k702 was the closest thing that I own in terms of reaching the air, clarity, separation and extension of the lambda. The 702 is significantly faster and offers better resolution than all of my other headphones. With that said, it still can't even come within a mile of the stax detail level.

While I'm at it, I'll also say that the hd800 is off my wishlist as well. I spent enough time with it (with two great tube amps and sacd players) to know it can't really compete with stax resolution either. Perhaps if you paired it with a highly neutral ss amp it would be better. Anyway I digress.

Moral of the story, stax has ruined dynamics for me for the most part. My ears have been opened so to speak. Every extra dollar I save is being placed into my stax-fund.

I hear ya, man!
Your post basically explains why I'm going to sell my DT880s!
My Stax have spoiled me for other phones! biggrin.gif
post #561 of 1303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Punnisher View Post

I know I'm a bit late to the k701/2 discussion but I am currently using them as my main headphones. This is strange for me to say because I hated them for years. It's only because of my Torpedo tube amplifier that I'm able to enjoy them. This particular amp (with 6J6 tubes) tames the forward midrange and treble slightly. The result sounds excellent.

Anyway, the whole reason I switched to this headphone full-time is because my recent experience with the lambda pro / srm1 mk2 (owned by tus-chan). The resolution and speed displayed by the stax was other-worldly to my ears. I've never heard multiple instrument lines and separation like that before. I was experiencing my favorite albums for what seemed like the first time.

When I got home I listened to each of my headphones (I have a lot) and discovered that my k702 was the closest thing that I own in terms of reaching the air, clarity, separation and extension of the lambda. The 702 is significantly faster and offers better resolution than all of my other headphones. With that said, it still can't even come within a mile of the stax detail level.

While I'm at it, I'll also say that the hd800 is off my wishlist as well. I spent enough time with it (with two great tube amps and sacd players) to know it can't really compete with stax resolution either. Perhaps if you paired it with a highly neutral ss amp it would be better. Anyway I digress.

Moral of the story, stax has ruined dynamics for me for the most part. My ears have been opened so to speak. Every extra dollar I save is being placed into my stax-fund.

 

Man--you have just made my day..

 

Expecting delivery of the Lambda-pro ,& the SRM-1 mkII pro amp.....tomorrow

I've been a die hard 800 user ,and am hoping I will get the same results as you.??

 

Question-have you found the stax setup ,..bright?

 

Tnx

Mike

post #562 of 1303
I would not say bright. It's just different. That stax setup had none of the "bloat" that all dynamics seem to have (even the hd800 in my experience). It's that echoey bloom that occurs around the midbass-midrange region. It's caused by lower frequencies infringing on the playback of higher frequencies. You have to directly a/b them to really hear it. When you hear it, you can tell the dynamic driver is struggling to play back loud and complex passages.

The stax just had absolute clarity across all frequencies. No bloom or bloat to speak of. Though that doesn't mean it didn't have bass. It just had impeccable quality and distinct instrument separation so you could hear everything. Even during those loud, layered passages it doesn't break a sweat.

It's this difference in presentation that some may call "bright".
post #563 of 1303

punnisher, have you tried any orthos?

post #564 of 1303

I would strongly disagree with the HD800 being unable to play complex passages in the music source loud and clear distinguishing the different layers of any added to the music itself, the HD800 is one of the best classical players which for one some classical tracks possess more complex multi-instrument passages than even the most distorted and heavily mixed electronic music, the HD800 can play and render the separation very clearly quite well enough that I'd personally put it easily above the ranks of the typical Lambda's.

 

This is of course being powered by any high end SS that not only pairs with the HD800 by synergy but also delivering the capable voltage swing for the wonky impedence the HD800 possess. I would also say that a lot of TOTL amps even such as the Stratus takes too much away and in a way veils the HD800 sound signature. The GSX MK2, ECP L2 and few of the Luxman TOTL amp's are a few very well regarded amps to pair with the HD800 that tones the treble down a bit.

 

Also the reason why you and a lot of inexperienced Lambda users perceive the treble to be clear and earspeaker capable of separating complex passages more clearly than anything else is because there is a treble etch present on a majority of Lambda earspeakers. HD800 performs this role more naturally despite the peaky 5-6k treble. 

 

Refer to the old Stax threads.

post #565 of 1303
Just briefly in a very noisy environment (HE-400 and Abyss AB-1266). I want to give orthos a proper audition someday. HE-400/500 are on my list of headphones to try. I honestly can't recall what they sound like.
post #566 of 1303
I agree. I need to give other orthodontists a proper try too.
post #567 of 1303

Lots of new orthos coming out at the RMAF. 

post #568 of 1303

Yep HE-7 is coming out can't wait need to build a 1000watt monoblock to power them given this how the head-fi HE-6 logic goes. :rolleyes:

post #569 of 1303
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

Yep HE-7 is coming out can't wait need to build a 1000watt monoblock to power them given this how the head-fi HE-6 logic goes. :rolleyes:

 

You'll only get out 10% of it's potential with that setup. 

post #570 of 1303
I would love a pair of orthos as long as they can outperform my dynamics in terms of detail and speed, while soundIng musical. Can they? Haha.
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