Originally Posted by M-13
First of all cool thread!
I'm considering the 2170 as I expressed in the main Stax thread. Was briefly thinking about totally overdoing it by getting the 007Mk2 + 323S, but now with my recent purchase of the LCD-2, this is no longer an option.
So K_19. I really find your descriptions helpful and easy to follow along. Can you talk to me more about the transient response (speed of the drivers). Are they greater/same/less than the LCD-2 R2? Which one offers better transparency/micro-details of the music? And exactly how bad is that bass roll off? Are we talking like AKG K701/HD598 bad?
IMO, the speed of the two are not too far apart but Stax definitely has that frequently mentioned e-stat "ethereal" quality to it, which is to say there is a better sense of the music and the details coming out of nowhere with more blacker background... I feel that the instrument separation and transparency of the 207 actually seem better than the LCD-2's because of that said quality, and that might also give an illusion of a much better speed as well. It is much more open sounding than the LCD-2's, at least with the LCD-2's being amped by a modest Soloist SL (LCD-2's definitely has potential to improve with a more powerful amp, which I experience first hand before with my older WA6SE, Lyr, etc). But then the LCD-2's have that weightiness and immediacy to it's sound which is very addicting on its own and I do still feel that it has comparable speed and detail to boot (but due to their relative closed-in sound, it may not seem like it compared to something more open).
As for the rolloff on extreme ends I don't feel that it's actually too bad, my opinion on that's actually in comparison to the old HD800's I used to have and the 009's that are due to come in soon in regards to the treble, and the LCD-2's in regards to the bass... which are more or less top class headphones extension wise. Compared to something more modest such as HD650 (in terms of bass) or the K701 (in regards to the treble), I don't feel that they sound rolled off at all at the extremes. I find both the treble and the bass on the 207's to be quite satisfying for the most part actually... my biggest thing to fault with them sound wise is actually with the midrange as I've mentioned before; it IMO sounds uneven somewhere causing certain vocals to be too immediate/shouty. But that's again in comparison to the other top end headphones that I've had which have gorgeous midranges, thus on it's own I find it to be acceptable minor flaw for a headphone in its price range. And with a different DAC and amp they may very well sound different than what I've described so do keep that in mind.
Repeating myself here but I'd definitely get the 2170 combo over any of the HD650/K701/DT880/RS-1 level class of headphones + an amp at a comparable cost of the 2170. (on sound alone that is... taking into consideration varying individual opinions in regards to comfort, warranty claim, ease of use/maintenance, the dynamics may be a better choice for some)
Edited by K_19 - 8/11/13 at 6:41pm