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post #2446 of 2459
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post
 

 

You're pretty on-topic. All of those are entry-level STAX models.

 

The main reason to go electret first is the crazy low price. I got an SR-30, SRD-4, and Lepai LP-2020A+ for under $100. When I got the SR-207 and SRM-212, it was a little over $300. (All used.) But I was lucky. Since the SR-207 was discontinued, the SRS-2170 price skyrocketed on Amazon and eBay. It's pretty much $1,500 and up now! (Though it's lower on amazon.co.jp.) The used market is a must, and you have to be patient to find better deals. (Unless you just decide to go with its replacement, the SR-L300.)

 

As for sound quality, I think all of us would agree that proper electrostats are a major upgrade from electrets.

 

However, I still miss that SR-30. It had a harder, tighter sound that worked well with exciting music. Electrostats (I'm sure you know that electrets work like electrostats except the charge is permanently applied instead of being supplied by the amp) have a stereotype of being "ethereal"...but it actually sounded more "solid" than most dynamic headphones I've heard! I also didn't think the SR-207 sounded ethereal (in the wispy, light sense) either. I'm still trying to make sense of that term.

 

I wonder how many others experienced extreme bass distortion at higher volumes with electrets. I always had to reduce the bass and/or volume when that happened. This was true whether it was being driven by an electrostatic amp or an electret converter and speaker amp.

Yikes!! I'm darn lucky I jumped on my 2170 system when I did, at $550-ish US.

 

I gotta hand it to Zeos, his review got me into them at exactly the right time. I love my baby Stax :)

post #2447 of 2459
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Originally Posted by Pahani View Post
 

Yikes!! I'm darn lucky I jumped on my 2170 system when I did, at $550-ish US.

 

I gotta hand it to Zeos, his review got me into them at exactly the right time. I love my baby Stax :)


how do you describe the bass on those?

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The 2170 is not worth that price at all. A certain someone is selling a wonderful 404LE set in the classified forum for much less...and it kills the 2170 for sound quality 😀
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Originally Posted by LaCuffia View Post

The 2170 is not worth that price at all. A certain someone is selling a wonderful 404LE set in the classified forum for much less...and it kills the 2170 for sound quality 😀


but what about da basss????

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Originally Posted by SHAMuuu View Post
 

but what about da basss????

 

Tight, fast, detailed, accurate. The opposite of loose and boomy. Not for bassheads. That's how I'd describe it.

post #2451 of 2459
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but what about da basss????

I had the 2170. The 404LE bass is much more impactful. In fact many who know Stax more than I do say that model as one of the best bass responses for an e-stat. Granted it's not Z1R bass but still very good.
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Originally Posted by LaCuffia View Post


I had the 2170. The 404LE bass is much more impactful. In fact many who know Stax more than I do say that model as one of the best bass responses for an e-stat. Granted it's not Z1R bass but still very good.


Thats very helpful thanks. I'd like to eventually gather one model at least from all big brands and cant dive too deep with multiple models from all brands as that would be pure madess. I will need to read more about the 404le then. I thought for a while now 2170 was best bang for buck stax. Would they use same power supply?

 

in Canada the 2170 system is like 600US

post #2453 of 2459
the 2170 comes with the lower end driver (252 I think). The 404LE I have comes with the T1 driver (vacuum tube). Stax used the T1 as their reference driver for testin until 2011 or so. They also only made 1000 units of the 404LE.
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Originally Posted by LaCuffia View Post

the 2170 comes with the lower end driver (252 I think). The 404LE I have comes with the T1 driver (vacuum tube). Stax used the T1 as their reference driver for testin until 2011 or so. They also only made 1000 units of the 404LE.


1000? Yikes.

 

Maybe i am confused with 407/507 . I do recall on the Canadian site the systems were much more expensive than the 207 model. 

 

LOTS more studying to do:D

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What are the differences between the 404 LE and the 404 SE?

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I really don't know as I've only had the 404 LE, but I know it is considered one of the best Lambda models ever made.

 

This article is pretty informative though:

 

http://www.headfonia.com/sr-404le-sr-404-signature-and-sr-lambda-pro/

post #2457 of 2459
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Originally Posted by LaCuffia View Post

The 2170 is not worth that price at all. A certain someone is selling a wonderful 404LE set in the classified forum for much less...and it kills the 2170 for sound quality 😀

Wait...not worth what price? If you mean the $1500 in the post I quoted above, I'd agree.

 

If you meant the price I paid (NEW, not used), I'd slap ya upside tha head fer bein' daft :p The 2170 is worth every penny of that.

 

That being said, GLWS!

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Originally Posted by Pahani View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LaCuffia View Post

The 2170 is not worth that price at all. A certain someone is selling a wonderful 404LE set in the classified forum for much less...and it kills the 2170 for sound quality 😀

Wait...not worth what price? If you mean the $1500 in the post I quoted above, I'd agree.

 

If you meant the price I paid (NEW, not used), I'd slap ya upside tha head fer bein' daft :p The 2170 is worth every penny of that.

 

That being said, GLWS!

 

I'd love that 404LE set - but would need to sell some other gear to finance and I think the seller is in a hurry to sell. :(

post #2459 of 2459
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Originally Posted by Pahani View Post

Wait...not worth what price? If you mean the $1500 in the post I quoted above, I'd agree.

If you meant the price I paid (NEW, not used), I'd slap ya upside tha head fer bein' daft tongue.gif The 2170 is worth every penny of that.

That being said, GLWS!

Meant the price of $1,500. It's still a great system, just not worth more than original retail price.
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