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Originally Posted by Boubos View Post

Thanks to NamelessPFG, that recommended me that thread, it is very interesting.

Even if I own that set of Stax 202/212 for many years, I did not used them that much, but never wanted to get rid of them. I'd rather listen direct with my Martin Logan SSequel 2 electrostatic speakers.

But recently, I have started playing more FPS video games, and I wanted to use headphones to hear where they are all coming from; so after reading the Mad Lust Envy thread, I decided to buy an Astro Mixamp (should receive it in about 1 week or 2) to make the headphones Dolby and was going to get a set of Q701 or K701, as recommended by MDL, as being one of the best for competitive gaming.

This is where I remembered of my Stax headphones, sitting in the basement for years.

My question is: with all the great experience I read there is in that thread; before spending any money on a new set of headphone, would I find any advantages from a Q701/K701 over my Stax 202, strictly in a gaming environment.

Thank you in advance for your great comments.

 

I have a pair of Q701 and a Stax SRS-2170.

Don't even bother with the Q701 or K701.

While they are both quite good, they are not in the same league as my Stax system.

 

You will find that the AKG will sound a bit gritty and grainy with peaky treble after listening to the MartinLogans. Most dynamic headphones will sound like this.

BTW, I have a pair of Aeons myself.

post #1052 of 1291
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Originally Posted by Boubos View Post

Thanks to NamelessPFG, that recommended me that thread, it is very interesting.

Even if I own that set of Stax 202/212 for many years, I did not used them that much, but never wanted to get rid of them. I'd rather listen direct with my Martin Logan SSequel 2 electrostatic speakers.

But recently, I have started playing more FPS video games, and I wanted to use headphones to hear where they are all coming from; so after reading the Mad Lust Envy thread, I decided to buy an Astro Mixamp (should receive it in about 1 week or 2) to make the headphones Dolby and was going to get a set of Q701 or K701, as recommended by MDL, as being one of the best for competitive gaming.

This is where I remembered of my Stax headphones, sitting in the basement for years.

My question is: with all the great experience I read there is in that thread; before spending any money on a new set of headphone, would I find any advantages from a Q701/K701 over my Stax 202, strictly in a gaming environment.

Thank you in advance for your great comments.
Dooh. I was going to reply but it looks like Chris J beat me to it. XD

I still enjoy the K 701 for orchestral works since the wider soundstage and more upfront midrange is much more engaging compared to the more rounded soundstage and laid-back mids of the SRS-2170. You can also plug it directly into a laptop, MP3 player, or anything else that has a standard 3.5 mm jack. tongue.gif
post #1053 of 1291
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Originally Posted by Boubos View Post

Thanks to NamelessPFG, that recommended me that thread, it is very interesting.

Even if I own that set of Stax 202/212 for many years, I did not used them that much, but never wanted to get rid of them. I'd rather listen direct with my Martin Logan SSequel 2 electrostatic speakers.

But recently, I have started playing more FPS video games, and I wanted to use headphones to hear where they are all coming from; so after reading the Mad Lust Envy thread, I decided to buy an Astro Mixamp (should receive it in about 1 week or 2) to make the headphones Dolby and was going to get a set of Q701 or K701, as recommended by MDL, as being one of the best for competitive gaming.

This is where I remembered of my Stax headphones, sitting in the basement for years.

My question is: with all the great experience I read there is in that thread; before spending any money on a new set of headphone, would I find any advantages from a Q701/K701 over my Stax 202, strictly in a gaming environment.

Thank you in advance for your great comments.

Do you play via console? I see no reason to bother with the k701 when you got that stax system. But maybe it is a hair better when strictly talking gaming.

post #1054 of 1291
Thanks for the comments, Itreally helped me confirm that I should not spend money for nothing on a new set of headphones.

I am not a huge user of headphones for music, I'd rather use my Classé amps/pre-amps and Martin Logan setup and listen direct.

For the gaming; I play via XBox One so, I will wait until I get the Mixamp and give the Stax a real good try.

About the connections for the gaming setup, since the Astro Mixamp act as a Dolby unit and a DAC, does it means I will not need to use my Cambridge DAC anywhere in the setup? I will connect the Stax directly into the Mixamp using that 2 to 3.5 connector?

Or since the Cambridge DAC is of much better quality, should I use it between the XB1 and the Mixamp?
post #1055 of 1291
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Originally Posted by Boubos View Post
Thanks for the comments, Itreally helped me confirm that I should not spend money for nothing on a new set of headphones.

I am not a huge user of headphones for music, I'd rather use my Classé amps/pre-amps and Martin Logan setup and listen direct.

For the gaming; I play via XBox One so, I will wait until I get the Mixamp and give the Stax a real good try.

About the connections for the gaming setup, since the Astro Mixamp act as a Dolby unit and a DAC, does it means I will not need to use my Cambridge DAC anywhere in the setup? I will connect the Stax directly into the Mixamp using that 2 to 3.5 connector?

Or since the Cambridge DAC is of much better quality, should I use it between the XB1 and the Mixamp?

 

You can't use the Cambridge DAC at the same time as the Mixamp, because both are DACs. It's just that the Mixamp is also a Dolby Headphone DSP, hence why you'd use it instead for gaming.

 

I just hope the Xbox One has that promised Dolby Digital update out already; without it, the Mixamp is as good as useless because it can't decode DTS at all.

 

I suppose that Mad Lust Envy's general leanings toward the AKG sets for competitive gaming is because that's what he started off with and is mainly used to. As for me? I jumped from the AD700 to a vintage SR-Lambda and didn't feel the need to spend money on those AKG sets or the vast majority of other headphones for a long while, especially not when they were in the $300+ amped range.

 

Also note that his numerical scores are NOT meant to be compared to each other; the K70x family probably gets high marks for competitiveness because of its not-too-exorbitant price range, whereas the only Stax set he's ever sampled is the SR-407 + SRM-252S, which is a significantly more expensive system.

 

I should also point out another thing...the main thing that tipped me over into shopping for Stax in the first place was that someone else here considered them to be godlike for competitive gaming in some years-old thread I don't remember now. Speed, detail, soundstage and imaging: all typical Lambda-series strengths, and all considered important for gaming headphones.

post #1056 of 1291
Thanks to all for your good advises and recommendations, it helped me make a decision.

I now, understand better and will save a few hundred dollars, also, finally, this old Stax will be used for something. biggrin.gif

About The XB1 optical connection, yes it has been updated, and get thru digital DTS.
post #1057 of 1291
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Dooh. I was going to reply but it looks like Chris J beat me to it. XD

I still enjoy the K 701 for orchestral works since the wider soundstage and more upfront midrange is much more engaging compared to the more rounded soundstage and laid-back mids of the SRS-2170. You can also plug it directly into a laptop, MP3 player, or anything else that has a standard 3.5 mm jack. tongue.gif

Oh, sorry! tongue.gif

That's a good point WRT plugging the K701 into anything with a 3.5 mm jack though!
Edited by Chris J - 3/23/14 at 11:54am
post #1058 of 1291
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Originally Posted by Boubos View Post
would I find any advantages from a Q701/K701 over my Stax 202, strictly in a gaming environment.

Soundstaging and imaging, The only decent things about the mentioned AKG's.

post #1059 of 1291

Hello everyone,

 

I am interested in purchasing the SRS 2170 system. I am a little surprised to see there are only a handful of reviews out there. I find reviews most helpful for me when the product being reviewed gets compared to a product that I currently own. Unfortunately I find no reviews comparing the SRS 2170 in depth to the HD600. Is there anyone that has experience with the two and can help?

 

I listen to almost strictly punk rock, metalcore, ska, hardcore, screamo, progressive rock/metal type genres. 

 

I need a headphone system that can keep up with the very faced paced music I listen to. There can be quite a lot going on so there needs to be good separation so that everything doesn't muddy up into one sound. I need a soft-like treble as all the music I listen to has constant play on cymbals. I find the HD600 does a great job of making the cymbals sound in line with everything else, but it no way fatiguing. I have not heard another dynamic headphone do that yet. Everything else treble-wise is either fatiguing in long sessions or too laid back. It is also important to have a well extended bass. The only criticism I have of the HD600 is that I sometimes feel it doesn't extend low enough in the sub bas. I do not need more bass quantity or "slam" though. Any more could lead to a fatiguing sound. I am aware their is an elevated mid-bass bump that helps to trick me into thinking it has a lower bass. This works most of the time except for the really low bass guitar notes.

 

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by JUSTINDTH View Post

Hello everyone,


I am interested in purchasing the SRS 2170 system. I am a little surprised to see there are only a handful of reviews out there. I find reviews most helpful for me when the product being reviewed gets compared to a product that I currently own. Unfortunately I find no reviews comparing the SRS 2170 in depth to the HD600. Is there anyone that has experience with the two and can help?


I listen to almost strictly punk rock, metalcore, ska, hardcore, screamo, progressive rock/metal type genres. 


I need a headphone system that can keep up with the very faced paced music I listen to. There can be quite a lot going on so there needs to be good separation so that everything doesn't muddy up into one sound. I need a soft-like treble as all the music I listen to has constant play on cymbals. I find the HD600 does a great job of making the cymbals sound in line with everything else, but it no way fatiguing. I have not heard another dynamic headphone do that yet. Everything else treble-wise is either fatiguing in long sessions or too laid back. It is also important to have a well extended bass. The only criticism I have of the HD600 is that I sometimes feel it doesn't extend low enough in the sub bas. I do not need more bass quantity or "slam" though. Any more could lead to a fatiguing sound. I am aware their is an elevated mid-bass bump that helps to trick me into thinking it has a lower bass. This works most of the time except for the really low bass guitar notes.


Thank you!


 




Hmmmm,
somewhere I have a comparison review.
I think 6 different headphones are compared, if I recall.
It is a bit old, so it is comparing the SRS-2050 to various 'phones like the AKG K01 and I can't remember what else, a Senn and a Grado maybe.
I'll see if I can find it tonight.
I can scan it and e-mail it to you.
Edited by Chris J - 4/7/14 at 9:31am
post #1061 of 1291

http://www.head-fi.org/products/stax-sr-202/reviews/10662

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615975/comparative-review-of-the-sennheiser-hd650-and-the-stax-sr-202

 

Those are a couple of reviews on the SR-202 comparing it to the HD600 and HD650. The SR-202 and SR-207 are more alike than different and the reviews should serve as valid data points in your research.

post #1062 of 1291

Thank you yaluen and chrisj for your replies.

 

However, the SR202 or 2050 is not sold in my area. I have access to a 2170 system new for $895. The comparisons you speak of will be helpful if I decide on getting a 202/2050 however I am skeptical about using what I learn about one version of a headphone and applying it to a later production line. I mean if the headphone/system was identical it would have the same model number no? I do not feel comfortable buying expensive used headphones (expensive to me is >$250 used price). I have had rare misshaps in the past which have taught me to be more careful.

 

Has anyone seen a comparison out there for 2170? Or have direct experience with both?

 

EDIT: Update - I have since seen several claims that the new 2170 system is quite different than the 2050 or other current 3170 etc systems. Providing more doubt on relying on reviews of prior generations to tell me what to expect of a current.


Edited by JUSTINDTH - 4/7/14 at 10:12am
post #1063 of 1291

Not sure if you've come across it already, but there was a bit of discussion about the two a bit earlier on in the thread. Start here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/676272/the-entry-level-stax-thread/435#post_9829636. They continue a couple pages over.


Edited by yaluen - 4/7/14 at 10:31am
post #1064 of 1291

Thank you for the posting link.

 

Another question I have is about the amplifier. Can I use this http://www.kingrex.co.uk/leadacid_battery.html instead of the wall wart with the SRM-252S?

post #1065 of 1291
I'm planning to write a review for the SRS-2170 soon. I just need to find the time to sit down and write it. XD
Sneak peak maybe?

Don't mind my lame camera skillz.
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