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Impossibru, the E12 has more power output than the iFi iCAN and people say it sounds "meh" with the Mad Dog. rolleyes.gif


Young bopper, it's not only about power it's more about implementation and two pieces of gear meshing together. An amp can have oodles of power but if it's implementation is half arsed it'll sound muddy/shrill and crappy no matter how much power it puts out. Seriously, I haven't said anything involving the amping questions so as not to derail the thread but people are asking the wrong question when amping is involved. The question should be which amps does everyone think will mate well with the headphone not which amp is the most powerful. You should check out my AKG video on my channel. My ALO RX MKIII-B can easily drive both my K240 MP Sextette and my Q701. The thing is, although it can drive them to deafening volumes the Q701 does not sound good on it while the more demanding K240 does. All I'm saying is with the T50 Paradox the iCAN does a very good job so I'm guessing it'll do an equally good job with the AD. I'm also sure there's others on here with better amps both pricier and cheaper who could put forward some recommendations towards possible good pairings. People should really look beyond the specs and price because the specs can look spectacular on paper with a high price tag to boot but when you pair headphone X to it it's not uncommon or unheard of to have a bad pairing and have a more powerful/expensive amp sound terrible with headphone X next to another amp which is less powerful/expensive. I think you own a K701/2, try experimenting a bit with amps the next time you're at a meet. It's quite fun to do IMO.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 8/19/13 at 9:59pm
post #962 of 8127
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Impossibru, the E12 has more power output than the iFi iCAN and people say it sounds "meh" with the Mad Dog. rolleyes.gif


Young bopper, it's not only about power it's more about implementation and two pieces of gear meshing together. An amp can have oodles of power but if it's implementation is half arsed it'll sound muddy/shrill and crappy no matter how much power it puts out. Seriously, I haven't said anything involving the amping questions so as not to derail the thread but people are asking the wrong question when amping is involved. The question should be which amps does everyone think will mate well with the headphone not which amp is the most powerful. You should check out my AKG video on my channel. My ALO RX MKIII-B can easily drive both my K240 MP Sextette and my Q701. The thing is, although it can drive them to deafening volumes the Q701 does not sound good on it while the more demanding K240 does. All I'm saying is with the T50 Paradox the iCAN does a very good job so I'm guessing it'll do an equally good job with the AD. I'm also sure there's others on here with better amps both pricier and cheaper who could put forward some recommendations towards possible good pairings. People should really look beyond the specs and price because the specs can look spectacular on paper with a high price tag to boot but when you pair headphone X to it it's not uncommon or unheard of to have a bad pairing and have a more powerful/expensive amp sound terrible with headphone X next to another amp which is less powerful/expensive.

Yes yes I know power doesn't mean everything. As stated before, the E12 has tons of power, more than the O2 and I don't read anyone saying the E12 sounds better. A lot of people on this thread seem to indicate that more power sounds better (i.e. at least 1 W for the T50RP) with no other explanation. I have no doubts the iCAN sounds great with the T50RP as I've seen impressions that it sounds nearly on-par with the O2, which also seems to bode well with such headphones.

 

 

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Impossibru, the E12 has more power output than the iFi iCAN and people say it sounds "meh" with the Mad Dog. rolleyes.gif

 

On a serious note, how does the 3D effect for the iCAN work out for you?

 

I have both the E12 and the iCAN, and the 3D switches on the iCAN give my MDs that extra sense of air they need, IMO. Also, the iCAN is easily more powerful than the E12 in my experience with the two.

 

 Are you saying that people say the iCAN sounds "meh" with the MDs? or the E12? I personally think the iCAN sounds AMAZING with the MDs... while the E12 is ok but not meh...

Ah nice. I've been playing around with DSP options to see how different things affect the imaging and/or soundstage...it is difficult. XD

On paper, the iCAN pumps out 400 mW at 32 Ω, the E12 outputs 880 mW at the same impedance. "Meh" was just used to mean okay sound from the E12; nothing good and nothing bad.

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Yes yes I know power doesn't mean everything. As stated before, the E12 has tons of power, more than the O2 and I don't read anyone saying the E12 sounds better. A lot of people on this thread seem to indicate that more power sounds better (i.e. at least 1 W for the T50RP) with no other explanation. I have no doubts the iCAN sounds great with the T50RP as I've seen impressions that it sounds nearly on-par with the O2, which also seems to bode well with such headphones.

 

 

Ah nice. I've been playing around with DSP options to see how different things affect the imaging and/or soundstage...it is difficult. XD

On paper, the iCAN pumps out 400 mW at 32 Ω, the E12 outputs 880 mW at the same impedance. "Meh" was just used to mean okay sound from the E12; nothing good and nothing bad.

 

Gotcha...

 

I never checked the specs between the two so this is somewhat of a surprise to me. To my ears I find myself using the dial a little higher on the E12 with +16db gain than the iCAN with +10db.

 

I think Dan mentioned that the Alphas are more efficient than the MDs, correct? I ask because I want to avoid a whole equipment haul over if I upgrade to the Alphas.


Edited by Change is Good - 8/19/13 at 10:07pm
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Yes yes I know power doesn't mean everything. As stated before, the E12 has tons of power, more than the O2 and I don't read anyone saying the E12 sounds better. A lot of people on this thread seem to indicate that more power sounds better (i.e. at least 1 W for the T50RP) with no other explanation. I have no doubts the iCAN sounds great with the T50RP as I've seen impressions that it sounds nearly on-par with the O2, which also seems to bode well with such headphones.

 

 

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My apologies for voicing an opinion.


 

So anyone here have an opinion on a good desktop setup for these? I'm surprised nobody from the Schiit crowd has offered any recommendations yet. There has to be someone on here with a MD and a Schiit amp.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 8/19/13 at 10:09pm
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My apologies for voicing an opinion.


 

So anyone here have an opinion on a good desktop setup for these? I'm surprised nobody from the Schiit crowd has offered any recommendations yet. There has to be someone on here with a MD and a Schiit amp.


We were talking portable, and still I just don't see a real winner in that arena. No offense to anyone or any amp just an opinion.

 

For a stationary rig, I would seriously consider a speaker amp to drive any orthos. For the cost of a resistor box (which is tunable btw) it really is a hard config to beat. Have a read in some of the threads on the topic here. There is good info there which may help prevent derailment further.

 

This tour may well provide some very good info on the subject.

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...Which begs the question, will the tour units have XLR or single-ended, or will both be included? 

I was trying to find the adapters to my speaker taps so the question came up in my head.

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...Which begs the question, will the tour units have XLR or single-ended, or will both be included? 

I was trying to find the adapters to my speaker taps so the question came up in my head.

Mhmm I asked that earlier today too. I'm guessing most people won't have a balanced headphone amplifier.

 

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Yes yes I know power doesn't mean everything. As stated before, the E12 has tons of power, more than the O2 and I don't read anyone saying the E12 sounds better. A lot of people on this thread seem to indicate that more power sounds better (i.e. at least 1 W for the T50RP) with no other explanation. I have no doubts the iCAN sounds great with the T50RP as I've seen impressions that it sounds nearly on-par with the O2, which also seems to bode well with such headphones.

 

 

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My apologies for voicing an opinion.


 

So anyone here have an opinion on a good desktop setup for these? I'm surprised nobody from the Schiit crowd has offered any recommendations yet. There has to be someone on here with a MD and a Schiit amp.

It's all good. It was kind of hard to tell from my post that I was kidding. XD

 

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We were talking portable, and still I just don't see a real winner in that arena. No offense to anyone or any amp just an opinion.

 

For a stationary rig, I would seriously consider a speaker amp to drive any orthos. For the cost of a resistor box (which is tunable btw) it really is a hard config to beat. Have a read in some of the threads on the topic here. There is good info there which may help prevent derailment further.

 

This tour may well provide some very good info on the subject.

I was going to say the Magni, but since it's required to be plugged in to the wall, it's not really a portable headphone amplifier any more. The Ray Samuels Intruder seems to be a popular amp in the "post pics of your portable rig" thread.


Edited by miceblue - 8/19/13 at 11:01pm
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In regards to the Amp Issue:

 

* The "1 watt" myth came about because someone said "a lot of amps used by Dan put out 1 watt".   No one ever said that "1 watt" was some sort of minimum or optimum figure, but somehow it became portrayed as such.

 

* I recently used the Mad Dog 3.2 directly out of the headphone jack of my T61 Thinkpad, while listening to Youtube music videos, and it sounded better than any previous time I had listened to a laptop on headphones.   So, you do not "need" an amp with the Mad Dog, and since it has the same driver (and has a little more sensitivity) you probably will not "need" an amp with the Alpha Dog.

 

* But like with virtually all headphones, the better the DAC and the better the Amp, the better the Alpha Dog will sound.   Since the Mad Dogs "scale" very well - which by the way, is defined as meaning that they sound better if used with better equipment - then the Alpha Dogs should also.

 

* Planar/ortho drivers work better with more power (just ask Maggie owners), and that seems to be true with the Mad Dogs, so it is likely to be true with the Alpha Dogs as well.

 

So, conclusion - likely it will work fine with No Amp, and will sound best with Krell Monoblocks:

 


Edited by kstuart - 8/20/13 at 12:04am
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its gonna sound feenomenal with my nfb10.32 ...6w in balanced mode... the grip on the drivers gonna be vice-like...

every instrument in the orchestra will be lined up with military precision..there is NO ave for error or slaggg...i can feeeeeeel it ksc75smile.gifL3000.gifgs1000.gif

 

just conjecturing.... biggrin.gif

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WOW
Is that the easy-connect 4-pin connector that I got on the stock Mad Dogs????

If so, who makes that cable?
SWEET paint job, and that headband - yeah now I'm thinkin' about those!
its a disease, but there are worse habits

Those seem to be dual mini 4 pin xlr's like on the lcd's. Not the same as on the ad's or md's.
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Put my name down the international list for the AD Tour. Thank you MrSpeakers for this opportunity. I would be able to try the AD with a Centrance DACmini (1 ohm ) , ALO PanAm and iBasso PB1 in balanced mode if both cable are included. For a point of reference I'll compare the Alpha Dog to Denon D7000 and Shure Srh-940. Updated: I can also compare to the following open back full size: K702, SR325, HD580 & T50rp modded. Cheers! L3000.gif


Edited by Twinster - 8/20/13 at 2:50pm
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Put my name down the international list for the AD Tour. Thank you MrSpeakers for this opportunity. I would be able to try the AD with a Centrance DACmini (1 ohm ) , ALO PanAm and iBasso PB1 in balanced mode if both cable are included. For a point of reference I'll compare the Alpha Dog to Denon D7000 and Shure Srh-940. Cheers! L3000.gif

 

Where can i sigh up?

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Dan

 

Definitely interested in promo tour - gear would be PC > Audio-gd NFB-12 > LD Mark IV.

 

Would be comparing with current headphones (SRH1840, DT880, SRH840) and hopefully buy then will have Mad Dogs 3.2 (just purchased off another Head-Fier).  Have owned quite a bit of other gear - you can see it in  my profile.

 

Selfish reason for wanting to hear and compare is that I really want to know if it's worth my while to eventually send the 3.2's to you for the upgrade.

 

I am in New Zealand - so unfortunately a little off the beaten track.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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Search for Mr speaker's posts in this thread. The limit has been hit on both tour lists so you will only be going on standby in reserve if anyone drops out or does not meet the criteria
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Search for Mr speaker's posts in this thread. The limit has been hit on both tour lists so you will only be going on standby in reserve if anyone drops out or does not meet the criteria

 

Actually I did (read the posts) - but I thought Dan might be selective in choice based on gear, former reviews etc.  I hadn't seen anywhere he said "first in - first served".  Anyway - just registering interest.  Like I say - I may be too much off the beaten track .....

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