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post #8371 of 8380
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Originally Posted by bonesnv View Post
 

 

Easily, because I am looking at the total investment that has been made, not just the cost of the upgrade.  Nor did I state anywhere money would magically return to my account, it's called ROI.  I paid $599.99 for the Alpha Dogs about 4'ish months ago, I would then have to pay $420 additional for the upgrade which in turn makes the fairly new original Alpha Dogs more expensive than their counterpart, the Alpha Primes. 

 

Considering the time frame to which the AD's were released then only a short while later having the AD Primes were released, was hoping for a little more incentive to upgrade by the manufacturer to the loyal customers who bought AD's and helped build his business, but if this is the option then this is the option.  It is his business and his choice.

 

I don't agree with the practice, it's my opinion, doesn't mean you have to agree with it or even like it, by all means enjoy your upgrade.  Won't say anything else about it, as it will just take the thread off track.


I knew that going in on the first batch, and in fact took a huge risk and ordered the Alpha Dogs the first day they were available for pre-order.  The truth seems to be that it's more labor-intensive to remove and then modify the driver.  I get that.

 

It goes beyond that.  This first batch of upgrades is a fairly large risk for Dan, and he stands to loose a few thousand dollars if things don't go well.  That is the fun and excitement of dealing with a boutique operation. I am willing to share that risk at an overall additional cost of $20, which is 2% of the total cost anyway.

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I don't agree with the practice, it's my opinion, doesn't mean you have to agree with it or even like it, by all means enjoy your upgrade.  Won't say anything else about it, as it will just take the thread off track.

You don't agree with what practice?  Charging for upgrades?  Releasing new models?  What?

 

Your logic makes no sense.  First off, trying to realize financial ROI on any consumer electronics product of any type is a fools errand.  Secondly, it really doesn't matter what you paid for the Alpha Dogs because that was their price and you have them.  That's a done deal completely separate from any cost for Alpha Prime.  Any ROI from that completed purchase is the enjoyment you get from listening to them, or perhaps the value they may have on the used market.  So your choices, should you choose to upgrade to the Alphas Prime, is to pay the upgrade fee, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original price of the Alpha dogs, or to buy a new set of Alpha Prime, which again has nothing to do with the price you paid for the Alpha Dogs.

 

Trying to conflate the two transactions is illogical.

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You don't agree with what practice?  Charging for upgrades?  Releasing new models?  What?

 

Your logic makes no sense.  First off, trying to realize financial ROI on any consumer electronics product of any type is a fools errand.  Secondly, it really doesn't matter what you paid for the Alpha Dogs because that was their price and you have them.  That's a done deal completely separate from any cost for Alpha Prime.  Any ROI from that completed purchase is the enjoyment you get from listening to them, or perhaps the value they may have on the used market.  So your choices, should you choose to upgrade to the Alphas Prime, is to pay the upgrade fee, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original price of the Alpha dogs, or to buy a new set of Alpha Prime, which again has nothing to do with the price you paid for the Alpha Dogs.

 

Trying to conflate the two transactions is illogical.

 

We will have to agree to disagree.

post #8374 of 8380
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We will have to agree to disagree.


And you do have a point, and I'm sorry if I came off as uppity about it.  There is a financial risk with niche products like this, much more than going for Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser or any of the big brands.

 

On the other hand, they don't offer this kind of service.  When they release a new headphone, you pretty much have to buy the whole thing: there are no incremental upgrades.  If Mr. Speakers were Sennheiser, the entry price to them would be $999, and if you bought the Alpha Dogs, well, you paid full price for them as well.  No option to upgrade for $420.

 

420....

 

That should attract the stoner crowd!

post #8375 of 8380

To loose only $20 dollars in your original investment in the Alpha Dog when trading up to Primes is a great deal. It is rare for other companies to offer upgrades and when they do you loose more than 2% in your investment. Instead of complaining I think we should give Dan Clark a round of applause! :dt880smile: I wish more companies will follow Dan example to give the consumer service more focus.

post #8376 of 8380

New Alpha Dog          -$599

Sale of used AD         $450?

New Prime                -$999

Total                      -$1,148

 

-OR-

 

New Alpha Dog          -$599

New Prime                -$999

Total                      -$1,019

 

As I already have the Alpha Dogs, and don't need both, I chose the number closer to $0, though depending on what one is actually able to get in resale of the AD, a brand new pair is not that much difference, and it is a brand new pair vs. an upgrade of your old pair.  That said, Dan's upgrades are a pretty premium deal.

 

As to new models - yes please!  It allows me to choose the best, or pick a different price point in a model line of headphones I enjoy.

 

All the usual acronyms surrounding "my opinion of course...."

post #8377 of 8380

Here's the way I see it.

 

Alpha Dog: 599

 

You want an Alpha Prime?  Then either:

 

Alpha Dog you already own: 599

+ New Alpha Prime: 999

 

or

 

Alpha Dog you already own: 599

+ Upgrade to Alpha Prime: 420

 

You simply cannot include the cost of the product you already bought and paid for any other way with any meaning.  It's an upgrade, or an addition.,  It has nothing to do with your earlier decision to buy an Alpha Dog.  You already own it.  The choice is to upgrade at a cost that is reduced from the cost of new, or to add a second product to your collection.  The cost of the product you already own is not part of the equation.

post #8378 of 8380
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Originally Posted by Ableza View Post
 

Here's the way I see it.

 

Alpha Dog: 599

 

You want an Alpha Prime?  Then either:

 

Alpha Dog you already own: 599

+ New Alpha Prime: 999

 

or

 

Alpha Dog you already own: 599

+ Upgrade to Alpha Prime: 420

 

You simply cannot include the cost of the product you already bought and paid for any other way with any meaning.  It's an upgrade, or an addition.,  It has nothing to do with your earlier decision to buy an Alpha Dog.  You already own it.  The choice is to upgrade at a cost that is reduced from the cost of new, or to add a second product to your collection.  The cost of the product you already own is not part of the equation.


Oh yeah.  I forgot.  The speaker brand of choice for me is Ohm.  Ohm makes quasi Omni-directional speakers, and they service and upgrade every model they ever made with two exceptions: the Model A and the Model F.  Google Ohm F- it's seriously worth it.  I used to own a pair. 

 

Anyway, with Ohm you can upgrade to current drivers: if you bought an Ohm 2X for example in the 80's, early 90's, you can upgrade to the current 2000 series for less than half the cost of new.  It's almost exactly like Mr. Speakers.  I can only hope that Mr. Speakers can hang around for over 40 years.  And Ohm has been designed and built in Brooklyn, NY since their inception. There are a lot of parallels between Ohm and Mr. Speakers, which is why I bought the original Alpha's before more than a handful had even heard them.

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Oh yeah.  I forgot.  The speaker brand of choice for me is Ohm.  Ohm makes quasi Omni-directional speakers, and they service and upgrade every model they ever made with two exceptions: the Model A and the Model F.  Google Ohm F- it's seriously worth it.  I used to own a pair. 

 

Anyway, with Ohm you can upgrade to current drivers: if you bought an Ohm 2X for example in the 80's, early 90's, you can upgrade to the current 2000 series for less than half the cost of new.  It's almost exactly like Mr. Speakers.  I can only hope that Mr. Speakers can hang around for over 40 years.  And Ohm has been designed and built in Brooklyn, NY since their inception. There are a lot of parallels between Ohm and Mr. Speakers, which is why I bought the original Alpha's before more than a handful had even heard them.

Oh my God!! I used to own the Ohm F's also. In fact the Ohm F's were the first speakers I brought after my first full time job after college. I had to put the Ohm F's on layaway for a month so I can save enough to buy them. Nothing on the market sounded like them. I was offered a trade up by Ohm but sadly the new models did not sound like the F's so I did not pursuit that option. I wanted to rebuilt them but the cost was very high since they are one of the most difficult speaker to rebuilt.

 

Thanks for the blast from the past.  :beerchug:

post #8380 of 8380
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Originally Posted by john57 View Post
 

Oh my God!! I used to own the Ohm F's also. In fact the Ohm F's were the first speakers I brought after my first full time job after college. I had to put the Ohm F's on layaway for a month so I can save enough to buy them. Nothing on the market sounded like them. I was offered a trade up by Ohm but sadly the new models did not sound like the F's so I did not pursuit that option. I wanted to rebuilt them but the cost was very high since they are one of the most difficult speaker to rebuilt.

 

Thanks for the blast from the past.  :beerchug:


LOL!  I am always looking for the "Ohm" of headphones, and everything that I buy, for that matter!

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