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I am of the opinion that cables don't make an audible difference but am just looking to pick up a lighter more flexible cable for better comfort whilst listening to my dogs which costs <100, may have to delve into DIY for it to come out that cheap though :)

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Originally Posted by TeskR View Post
 

I am of the opinion that cables don't make an audible difference but am just looking to pick up a lighter more flexible cable for better comfort whilst listening to my dogs which costs <100, may have to delve into DIY for it to come out that cheap though :)

Heres a guy who makes cables for the ADs and other for cheap: http://www.bestintheversecables.com/

 

He started out on the /r/headphones subreddit and is now selling it through a website, I might buy one from him or DIY one.

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Agreed, I am new to HeadFi, but have been an Audiophile for years. I find these flat earth, absolutists to be rather boorish. I can only assume they haven't had the opportunity to listen to a variety of cables. They do sound very different, maybe not always better (this is area in which I am sure we do agree, >expense does not always = better). GOOD MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EQUAL GOOD SOUND! Not all subjective listening parameters, soundstage, musicality, pace, etcetera, etcetera can be measured. There are many horrible sounding transducers/equipment that have stellar objective measures. Cheers....

And that was my point, measurements do not under any circumstances show the whole picture. After re-reading skeptic's post maybe I read something into it that wasn't there, I was mainly agreeing that the more experienced Head-Fier shouldn't steer a novice to spend $100's on a cable before they have had a chance to experience gear that makes a more drastic change to SQ. 

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I'll look forward to your response skyyyeman.  As noted above, I'm open to the possibility that cables can make a positive difference.  I've recabled phones, built cables, built numerous amps of varying degrees of complexity (tubes and ss), rolled tubes, rolled caps, rolled active components.  Hell, I even use cardas solder.  Obviously, I'm far from being a member of the fanatic objectivist camp.  I just think it isn't realistic to open the door to the cable discussion outside of the "cable forum" and assume no one is going to dissent.  Suggesting that anyone who speaks to the contrary should take it to sound science isn't, in my opinion, fair or beneficial to the community here.  

Maybe cables do improve certain aspects of sound.  I think I have actually perceived the same - once even with a crump power cable, which I can't even begin to wrap my mind around given the miles and miles of cheap wire separating my house from the power plant.  Nonetheless, the fact that caps can cause measurable improvements and cables can't bugs me...  That and the fact that certain parts of the popular mythology about cables are demonstrably false.  Probably 25% of head-fi's readers think that copper sounds "warm" and silver sounds "bright"  If true, that would obviously show up in FR measurements, and it doesn't.  So I think it is a given that there is a substantial amount of misinformation that flies around on this topic, and we also have to stop and ask who is propagating that misinformation and why.  For now, I'll remain a cable agnostic from the standpoint of sonics, but that certainly won't stop me from continuing to build my own among other diy projects.  I'm interested in an open, balanced and intelligent discussion on the topic.   

Funny, I find it "rather boorish" when I'm attacked and subjected to name calling by someone who plainly misread, or simply failed to read, the actual text of my post.  If you scroll back up, you will note that I am anything but an absolutist and specifically acknowledged the limitations of current measurement techniques.  Further, I agree that good measurements do not necessarily equal good sound - the flagship bottlehead amp referenced in my signature might have been a tip off on that point if you were paying any attention.  

Good measurements and measurable differences are distinct subjects though.  The latter is what I am interested in and why so many of our perceptions seem at odds with what can be captured in software like diffmaker.  

Touché, I have to apologize, after reading numerous cables bashing posts I unloaded a little prematurely on yours. I was attempting to say that "absolutists" are generally incorrect. I could never say the more expensive the cable, amp, etc. is going to provide superior sound. Though I also would never say all cables, amps, etc. sound the same.IMO, measurements provide a frame of reference on how a component may sound, but subjective analysis can add the "flesh", in describing the components musicality. Now with transducers and DAC's there is a greater correlation to more $$$, the better the sound (that is until someone with Dan's creativity comes along and creates an affordable giant killer Like the AD), due to the greater expense in actual implementation of the device. My apologies for not reading the intent and content of your post correctly.
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How long is the waiting list?

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How long is the waiting list?

They ship within 4 days of purchase. You could of checked their website. 

 

https://mrspeakers.com/mrspeakers-alpha-dog-headphones/


Edited by RainHeaven - 6/28/14 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by tehsprayer View Post
 

Heres a guy who makes cables for the ADs and other for cheap: http://www.bestintheversecables.com/

 

He started out on the /r/headphones subreddit and is now selling it through a website, I might buy one from him or DIY one.


Thanks for the link!

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I was thinking of getting a pair of MDPs to complement my Alphas for listening to EDM, rap and whatnot.  Has anyone gotten a chance to compare the two?  Would it be worthwhile to get it as an emphasized-bass complement to the Alphas or should I just save up for some Audeze cans?

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I was thinking of getting a pair of MDPs to complement my Alphas for listening to EDM, rap and whatnot.  Has anyone gotten a chance to compare the two?  Would it be worthwhile to get it as an emphasized-bass complement to the Alphas or should I just save up for some Audeze cans?

Hey go to sleep :P I woke up at 1 am because I fell asleep at 8pm after eating a massive ramen and sushi dinner at Raki Raki on Convoy St. Since then I haven't been able to fall asleep because I've been listening to the Alpha Omega Dogs ;]

 

I tell ya a cable really does make a difference. I don't know what it is but something about the sound opened up and seems more effortless with speed and power.

 

You should hear this cable I got and tell me what you think :) 


Edited by wahsmoh - 6/29/14 at 3:23am
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Originally Posted by Wildcatsare1 View Post

Agreed, I am new to HeadFi, but have been an Audiophile for years. I find these flat earth, absolutists to be rather boorish. I can only assume they haven't had the opportunity to listen to a variety of cables. They do sound very different, maybe not always better (this is area in which I am sure we do agree, >expense does not always = better). GOOD MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EQUAL GOOD SOUND! Not all subjective listening parameters, soundstage, musicality, pace, etcetera, etcetera can be measured. There are many horrible sounding transducers/equipment that have stellar objective measures. Cheers....

Agreed with first, and agreed with second.

Recently I made a cable upgrade for my loudspeakers. Before I had this quite thick stranded cable, with single + and -. Now I upgraded to Monster one, with insulation in the center of cable. In theory it prevents phase effects, i.e. electrons on the surface of the conductor travel faster than in the middle of it. So in theory it should mean less fuzzy detail. Also I have decided to connect each speaker with four cables, one pair for treble and one for bass. And I want to add that I was pretty curious if I would hear any difference. I was very skeptical, and the only thing I was assuming was that sound shouldn't go worse. And indeed sound didn't go worse. However it did actually improve significantly. The area of improvement was soundstage, imaging and detail, and bass has now significantly more power. With this quite cheap upgrade (cable didn't cost leg-and-arm) I can clearly say the detail went up to the same level as Alpha Dogs present, which is quite an amazing thing given that these are dynamic transducers, and Alpha Dogs are orthos. I can only imagine how much would imaging improve for Alpha Dogs with better cable. I believe it really did. I wonder if there could be four cables for each side, with cross-over near the ear-cup. I know Alpha-Dogs have only one transducer per side, but you can still separate high frequency "power supply" (sound comes from power amp at the end of day) from low frequency one. This kind of trick should significantly improve SQ, I think... Also would it make sense to have this inner insulation?
Edited by koolas - 6/29/14 at 4:46am
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Maybe cables do improve certain aspects of sound.  I think I have actually perceived the same - once even with a crump power cable, which I can't even begin to wrap my mind around given the miles and miles of cheap wire separating my house from the power plant.  Nonetheless, the fact that caps can cause measurable improvements and cables can't bugs me...  That and the fact that certain parts of the popular mythology about cables are demonstrably false.  Probably 25% of head-fi's readers think that copper sounds "warm" and silver sounds "bright"  If true, that would obviously show up in FR measurements, and it doesn't.  So I think it is a given that there is a substantial amount of misinformation that flies around on this topic, and we also have to stop and ask who is propagating that misinformation and why.  For now, I'll remain a cable agnostic from the standpoint of sonics, but that certainly won't stop me from continuing to build my own among other diy projects.  I'm interested in an open, balanced and intelligent discussion on the topic.   

 

 

 

Some people think the main cause of the difference between copper and silver cables may be due to time-domain distortion which studies have shown humans can detect in minute levels on a conscious level. Any tests regarding the limits of human perception and conscious awareness of minute perceptions, such as in normal hearing and vision tests or double-blind tests performed by people with vested interests one way or another, there's always going to be false positives and false negatives because the human ability to perceive and interpret minute detail is constantly variable and sometimes very unreliable, and definitely not the same thing as what humans are theoretically capable of sensing and being subconsciously affected by.

 

I am always amused when I see discussions about the limits of vision and olfaction usually ending in agreement, but discussions about the limits of hearing usually go nowhere with neither party learning anything.

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Some people think the main cause of the difference between copper and silver cables may be due to time-domain distortion which studies have shown humans can detect in minute levels on a conscious level. Any tests regarding the limits of human perception and conscious awareness of minute perceptions, such as in normal hearing and vision tests or double-blind tests performed by people with vested interests one way or another, there's always going to be false positives and false negatives because the human ability to perceive and interpret minute detail is constantly variable and sometimes very unreliable, and definitely not the same thing as what humans are theoretically capable of sensing and being subconsciously affected by.

 

I am always amused when I see discussions about the limits of vision and olfaction usually ending in agreement, but discussions about the limits of hearing usually go nowhere with neither party learning anything.

 

The problem with this one is that it is a battle of engineers vs hobbyists.  There really aren't any "vision" hobbyist who like to test peoples eyes for fun, lol.  

 

You have the sound engineers who are swearing by their graphs, charts and equipment that calculates the sound from these devices and cables.  Those tools don't take in the human factor though, which is that the brain does whatever the brain wants to do really.  

 

Those who believe solely in science, their brains may have a more difficult time adopting something that cannot be justifiably quantified, because that is how they were taught.  Then there are those who are hobbyists who don't have those preconceived ideals in their head, so they are more open minded that their hard earned money provided them with a change that they felt was detectable.  From the IT background I have, I tend to think like an engineer and I want to see quantifiable proof.  Maybe my brain prevents me from hearing the changes in subtlety because I have already told myself that it can't be legitimate.

 

Was that change the hobbyist found, while listening to his music using his new cables, detected by equipment?   Typically no, because every brain and person is different and the whole ideal is subjective. 

 

What irks a lot of people is the marketing non-sense that goes with these cables.  Stating that nano-particles are floating inside cleaning up the signal with magical cryo-gel and cryo-freezing treatment to ensure those little particles are happy as can be.  They say it in much better wording with a lot of words only an engineer would even know how to pronounce that make people go "WOW!" and then they're hooked.  Less marketing hype would help solve the problem of these $5000+ cables that are supposed to make it sound like Elvis rose from the dead and is singing to you personally.

 

Me, myself and I, have never found a sonic difference in the cables I have used.  I have tried various manufacturers, Straightwire, Kimble, Monoprice, Pangea Audio, Double Helix, AudioQuest, Monster through both my audio systems and my A/V-Television system.  Only thing I have ever been able to tell the difference on is a poorly made cable vs a well made cable.  If others hear magical sound notes from those same cables, a brighter more refined picture or higher levels of clarity, so be it.  

 

I bought them for the convenience of the cable, it was easier to run, better made, more flexible or offered a connector I wanted in the length I wanted and if possible, the color I wanted.  If I get to hear some extra nuances of the symbols and bass drums, added bonus.

 

Let's all just enjoy the music, it's why the majority of us are here.

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According to Heisenberg rule, there is not such thing like exact measurement. Because of that, you can't just say according to measurements the two things are the same, because they certainly are not. The question is whether we humans are capable to perceive the difference. And the answer cannot be derived from measurements, because how would you measure someones hearing of vision?
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In case of my speaker cables it could be that now I have more copper, meaning more current can freely flow, and thus woofers can draw more current from power amp. But I truly think this is not all the story, as I do perceive more detail. Before upgrade I was convinced that Alpha Dogs extract significantly more detail than my speakers, but now I can say detail retrieval level is similar. Anyways, this is all subjective and YMMV very much biggrin.gif I just say I understand people who base on measurements, as well as I believe people who hear difference between different cables. smily_headphones1.gif
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Has anyone had luck with the Fiio E09K and the Alpha Dog? Its a bit of a unique question because most users are in a whole other league regarding amps... That being said the E09K got great reviews, and I liked that it's mids are not slightly recessed like the Magni's are (IMO). 

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