Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › MrSpeakers Alpha Dog Revealed! - The World's First Production 3D-Printed Headphones
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

MrSpeakers Alpha Dog Revealed! - The World's First Production 3D-Printed Headphones - Page 401

post #6001 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post

So does the kit come standard with those that shipped starting Feb 10th, and it's available for $14.99 for those who received theirs before that shipment?  Or am I looking at two different things, thinking they are the same?

I am using the parts of the kit on phones shipped after those dates, but I am not including the full kit as it isn't needed. Most headphones have one or two dots per channel, some have a disc installed. It's about getting the right sound vs a specific part count.
post #6002 of 7995

So is this just a new default sound signature?

post #6003 of 7995

The default sound signature is balance, neutral to slightly dark and MrSpearkers tunes his headphones by using his ears and tools so he is the person who decides whether use the mod to his headphones or not. Please reread the old posts.


Edited by LoveKnight - 2/25/14 at 8:07pm
post #6004 of 7995

Dan,

 

Now that the AD production is in full swing and supply and demand is about to be even, I hope you have started designing the new headphones you promised, Project: Puppy Dogs.  I can't wait to see your prototype of a small, light weight and portable MrSpeakers headphone. 

 

P.S.  There is a class action lawsuit being filed against you for insomnia.

 

Regards,

sunnee

post #6005 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveKnight View Post
 

The default sound signature is balance, neutral to slightly dark and MrSpearkers tunes his headphones by using his ears and tools so he is the person who decides whether use the mod to his headphones or not. Please reread the old posts.


I did read them, and I know what the OLD Alpha Dogs were supposed to sound like, yet he's modifying the newer batches, which is why I asked the question.  He even states that many people like the sound of the original ADs, and that they might not even like the new changes.  He then says that the "kit" is a no-tools, 3 minute upgrade, and it's fully reversible if you don't prefer the sound.


So my question is the same.  Are the new batches the new default sound, or do they simply have part of the kit on them, which is reversable for those possibly wanting to hear what they sound like without the modifications?

post #6006 of 7995

If I've read and understood everything correctly, every AD shipped past X date has at least one dot applied to each channel. Some have two dots. Some might also have felt disks implemented. You will be able to purchase the full kit separately. If I'm incorrect, clarification would be great.

 

Got some time to listen during my ~2-3AM lunch break. Initial impressions of the fixed, tweaked tour AD are considerably more positive than what I heard originally. I'll be sure to give plenty of details about the new tweaks themselves as well once I give them some listening over my "weekend" (next 3 nights).

post #6007 of 7995
Mr. Speakers tunes the Alpha Dogs to achieve a more flat frequency response resulting in a neutral sound. There are a couple of frequency peaks that are tougher to tame. Stock Fostex driver materials tolerances magnify these problems. Mr. Speakers is employing just enough parts of the obedience kit to get a flatter frequency response for a specific pair of Alpha Dogs being tested.

Now the obedience kit itself has many components to tailor the sound from neutral to a warmer sound (like rolling tubes in an amp for example). Many variables come in to play here: what amp is being used, source material, alignment of cans on your head, & most importantly ... how good is the listener's hearing. The kit lets you achieve what Mr. Speakers is doing, or you can make it sound different to suit your needs.

Pretty damn cool tweak to play with for small amount of coin. cool.gif
post #6008 of 7995
I wonder then if the Obedience Kit brings the AD's signature closer to the MD's. Or if it's just completely different.
post #6009 of 7995

It is a really subtle but useful change.  It doesn't change the signature in the sense I think many of you are perhaps thinking.  If you listened to an original Alpha Dog production vs new, what you'd hear tonally is that the highs are simply better integrated, smoother and more balanced.  It is technically fairly close to reducing 4.3 and 8.6K by about 2 dB, but it does a bit more.

 

Because of the physics of what the dot is doing to reduce those peaks it enhances the sound in a couple of other ways, as well; increasing the sense of dark space and improving soundstage and imaging. 

 

The felt discs are there for people who may prefer a slightly darker overall tonal balance.  One makes a minor shift, two makes it fairly dramatic, too much so for me but some people like that darker tone. If you have paired with really bright sources, for example, or if you are just one of the people who wants a top end "soft" of neutral they are available.

 

One dot with one disc can sound pretty nice on some phones.  I liken it to tube rolling on the Lyr or Liquid Glass.  It doesn't become a new amp, but you can dial it in.

 

P.S. check out www.hometheaterreview.com today

post #6010 of 7995

Dan, as much as I love my Alpha Dogs, I'm always interested in pursuing "better."  What are these dots and how do I get them?  I don't see anything like this on the Mr. Speakers web site... unless I'm just not looking in the right place.

 

-David

post #6011 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

P.S. check out www.hometheaterreview.com today

Nice review by Steven Stone whom I highly respect. He also writes for The Absolute Sound & Stereophile, & does a good job covering RMAF.

This quote is of particularly high praise:

"I have yet to hear another closed-ear earphone at even double the price that achieves the same level of sonic finesse as the Alpha Dog. Sonic competition for this set of headphones starts at a substantially higher price tag, which is the new $1,799 Audeze LCD-XC closed-cup design."
Edited by brother love - 2/26/14 at 10:53am
post #6012 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

It is a really subtle but useful change.  It doesn't change the signature in the sense I think many of you are perhaps thinking.  If you listened to an original Alpha Dog production vs new, what you'd hear tonally is that the highs are simply better integrated, smoother and more balanced.  It is technically fairly close to reducing 4.3 and 8.6K by about 2 dB, but it does a bit more.

 

Pretty much this. I'll never know for sure how much that missing screw affected what I heard, but if you go back and read my initial impressions, I was quite fond of the AD after EQing down those peaks (not so much without). What I'm hearing the 2nd time around is not far off from that (i.e. not absolutely perfect, but easily recommended and would consider purchasing myself), so I'm genuinely excited to further dig into these tonight. Far from subtle to these ears, but YMMV.

 

I will say that I had a very hard time getting a good position, fit, and seal with these. Half the time I have to keep them in place with my hands. They seem to have stabilized after a while, though, so we'll see...often comes loose just as I thought I had it or shift a bit, ha. Most of the problem is that I don't want to mess with the headband to better shape my head, since this is just a loaner and not my own.

post #6013 of 7995

It's very easy to adjust the clamping of the headphone to get a better fit.  Heads vary a lot, we try to adjust the band to be comfortable and not clamp too hard for most people, without being loose.  

 

If you need more clamp (or less) go to youtube and search "MrSpeakers Clamp" and I show how to do it.  Takes less than a minute, and pretty impossible to harm the phones.

post #6014 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ableza View Post
 

Dan, as much as I love my Alpha Dogs, I'm always interested in pursuing "better."  What are these dots and how do I get them?  I don't see anything like this on the Mr. Speakers web site... unless I'm just not looking in the right place.

 

-David

 

I'll have the dots online later this week in "accessories."

post #6015 of 7995
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunneebear View Post
 

 

P.S.  There is a class action lawsuit being filed against you for insomnia.

 

Regards,

sunnee

 

That has been a real issue for 15 years, though it's gotten better of late.  :blink:

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › MrSpeakers Alpha Dog Revealed! - The World's First Production 3D-Printed Headphones