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post #4996 of 9033
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Gotta dodge all the flowers in a 6 moons review. I got the following:

In absolute terms, LCD-X >AD's but not by much.

In $ for $ terms, the AD is the better value proposition.

My experience with Mr. Speaker's offerings is that there are top or near top tier headphones that are "better" to some degree, but nothing else out there offers the shear goodness per dollar that the Mad Dog and Alpha Dog offer. That is why I'm a fan boy. Well, and Dan likes a similar signature to my preference. And Dan is just a great guy and great business owner.

 

I think these guys are talking about the XCs & AD's, not the X's.

 

IMHO (and just like the TH-900s & XCs), there'll be campers and not because they are fanboys or anything but they truly appreciate the respective headphones they're backing.

 

For me personally, with no disrespect to the Audeze folks as they're really a nice bunch of folks, the XCs weren't my taste irrespective of pricing differences from the ADs. My ears prefer the ADs (and TH-900s for that matter) to the XCs. I'll admit that the more time I spent with the XCs I started to appreciate them more but when I put on one of the other headphones back on, I recall what I've missed.

To give a littler more detail for my preferences, to me the XCs are a little too closed sounding and warm for my tastes. I will grant that the XCs are fast though.

post #4997 of 9033
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Gotta dodge all the flowers in a 6 moons review. I got the following:

In absolute terms, LCD-X >AD's but not by much.

In $ for $ terms, the AD is the better value proposition.

My experience with Mr. Speaker's offerings is that there are top or near top tier headphones that are "better" to some degree, but nothing else out there offers the shear goodness per dollar that the Mad Dog and Alpha Dog offer. That is why I'm a fan boy. Well, and Dan likes a similar signature to my preference. And Dan is just a great guy and great business owner.

 

+1!

That said... I STILL would love to try the LCD-XCs one of these days... but I'm pretty sure I would not buy one unless I get them at $900 or less...

 

:-p

post #4998 of 9033
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

 

+1!

That said... I STILL would love to try the LCD-XCs one of these days... but I'm pretty sure I would not buy one unless I get them at $900 or less...

 

:-p

 

Yeah, their current asking price is a bit ridiculous imo. I am pretty sure a semi local shop/dealer just got a demo pair of LCD-X/XC's in so if I can get off my lazy bum, I might go down for a listen. Also would be a good chance to try the Alpha Dogs on a few different amps.

post #4999 of 9033
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Gotta dodge all the flowers in a 6 moons review. I got the following:

In absolute terms, LCD-X >AD's but not by much.

In $ for $ terms, the AD is the better value proposition.

My experience with Mr. Speaker's offerings is that there are top or near top tier headphones that are "better" to some degree, but nothing else out there offers the shear goodness per dollar that the Mad Dog and Alpha Dog offer. That is why I'm a fan boy. Well, and Dan likes a similar signature to my preference. And Dan is just a great guy and great business owner.

 

Yes, the HE-500.

post #5000 of 9033
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Originally Posted by jaytee189 View Post

 

Fostex HPP1 seems like need a bit more energy for the AD.

Could you elaborate on this point? I've been considering the HP-P1 for awhile, but this may keep me from purchasing.

post #5001 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

Yes, the HE-500.


Arguable, but I'll grant that, at least for some sets of ears.  I'll add I haven't spent near enough time with the HE-500 to comment further, and that my needs are generally for closed headphones.  Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion / response had I stated "there are top or near top tier closed headphones"?

post #5002 of 9033
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post
 

Could you elaborate on this point? I've been considering the HP-P1 for awhile, but this may keep me from purchasing.


Another to consider is the CEntrance HIFI-M8.  Excellent with the Mad Dogs, reportedly excellent with the Alphas.  I will be able to offer first hand experience with the pairing after this weekend - my Alphas are due on Saturday, I've owned the M8 since September.

post #5003 of 9033
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post
 


Arguable, but I'll grant that, at least for some sets of ears.  I'll add I haven't spent near enough time with the HE-500 to comment further, and that my needs are generally for closed headphones.  Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion / response had I stated "there are top or near top tier closed headphones"?

I would have wholeheartedly agreed. The TH-600 being another strong value, IMO.

post #5004 of 9033
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post
 


Arguable, but I'll grant that, at least for some sets of ears.  I'll add I haven't spent near enough time with the HE-500 to comment further, and that my needs are generally for closed headphones.  Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion / response had I stated "there are top or near top tier closed headphones"?

+1.  If I need closed HPs, the AD will be it.  If I don't, HE500.  The answer to your question at the end, IMO and to my ears, is a big "yes"

post #5005 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

I would have wholeheartedly agreed.

 

Sorry, but when talking about $600 headphones, the value proposition has already left the building. We are well within the luxury market here.

post #5006 of 9033
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 

 

Sorry, but when talking about $600 headphones, the value proposition has already left the building. We are well within the luxury market here.

 

Without trying to sound elitist, $600 priced headphones in this hobby are still considered value products IMO.

post #5007 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

Without trying to sound elitist, $600 priced headphones in this hobby are still considered value products IMO.

I agree, I think of premium starting at $1000 but even that's arguable...

post #5008 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

Without trying to sound elitist, $600 priced headphones in this hobby are still considered value products IMO.

This.

 

From my findings, the "definite improvement" stopped at the HE-6. That means I find the 6s to be technically (much) better than the HE-500, but the LCD-X are just a different take on sound, not an improvement over the 6s.

 

The diminishing returns starts at $40, if you try to be objective. The thing is: this whole hobby (like most hobbies) is about being subjective. It's just a matter of how much your willing to spend to get that extra bit of performance that would transform your listening from good to great, or great to excellent, or....

post #5009 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

Without trying to sound elitist, $600 priced headphones in this hobby are still considered value products IMO.

 

Only when you redefine the word value. If you plotted every headphone ever made on a sound quality vs cost graph, the AD's would be way over on the sound quality side,  but no where near the top of the cost side.

 

Things like the Monoprice 8323 at $23 would be at the top of that ratio. Are the AD's better then the 8323's? Without question. Are they 26 times better? Nope. Not even close.

 

I have bought the AD's, and I am not worried about the cost. But when you get to this range, it's all about how much more you're willing to spend to get to that next level. Value has nothing to do with it.

post #5010 of 9033
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 

 

Only when you redefine the word value. If you plotted every headphone ever made on a sound quality vs cost graph, the AD's would be way over on the sound quality side,  but no where near the top of the cost side.

 

Things like the Monoprice 8323 at $23 would be at the top of that ratio. Are the AD's better then the 8323's? Without question. Are they 26 times better? Nope. Not even close.

 

I have bought the AD's, and I am not worried about the cost. But when you get to this range, it's all about how much more you're willing to spend to get to that next level. Value has nothing to do with it.

 

But who can definitelly answer such a question? What is 26x better? This is pointless, IMO.

 

In my experience, with my background and expectations, the HE-500 (and 5LE) is one of my favorite value, overall. I could never live with a monoprice headphones, like I could never live with just a momentum, period.

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