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That is a terrible recording on any headphone.

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For someone who listens to a lot of Hip Hop, would these or the Mad Dogs be good? 

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Originally Posted by LoveKnight View Post
 

So what about the graph that Dan gave us himself last couple months ago? Seem like if innerfidelity or I mean Tyll measures the Alpha Dog then we will know more precisely but I think each company has at least one or two dedicated methods to measure.

 

It's pretty much this. Different hardware and rig setups, different software, different (or no) compensation curves, etc. When looking at any set of measurements, it's important to know all of these details in order to best be able to "read" the measurements and get good information from them. There's not a ton of consensus about all this from what I can tell, hence the sometimes wildly different results. And there are simply some measurement setups and methods that are just not good overall or only occasionally provide useful information.

 

The best thing one can do is get their hands on a lot of gear and look at a lot of measurements so they can find which methods most often correspond to what they hear (or find a way to mix attributes of measurements). The key is not tricking yourself into hearing what you see in measurements, much like it can be the same way with how subjective impressions influence what we hear or expect to hear. Easier said than done.

 

I'm sure there will be better, more accurate, and more repeatable ways to get headphone measurements in the future.

 

The Russian graph being referred to looks like they use too much smoothing, for one. Smoothing can "cover up" dips, peaks, and other imperfections that are actually quite audible (too little smoothing can make it appear rougher than what we'd really hear, though). Based on my experience with the MD and AD, I'd be hesitant to use this site's measurements before some other sources of measurements.

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For someone who listens to a lot of Hip Hop, would these or the Mad Dogs be good? 

I suggest the Mad Dogs for hip hop and electronic over the Alpha's - though I love em for both,

to my ears, the Mad Dogs lower octaves have a tad more slam and outward fluidity

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Agreed. The bass decays a little slower and is more prominent on the MD, making it more immersive for those genres. That being said, the Alpha Dog does a great job with any genre you can throw at it.
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Alright then, if I do get the Mad Dogs, will it work well with a portable AMP? They don't seem too big in the pictures so I wouldn't mind bringing them around some places. Would a Fiio E12/E17 work?

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Agreed. The bass decays a little slower and is more prominent on the MD, making it more immersive for those genres. That being said, the Alpha Dog does a great job with any genre you can throw at it.

Agreed!!
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Alright then, if I do get the Mad Dogs, will it work well with a portable AMP? They don't seem too big in the pictures so I wouldn't mind bringing them around some places. Would a Fiio E12/E17 work?

 

You can find an amp recommendation thread for the MD, just do a search. The e12 will have more power for the MD and will give better dynamics. 

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I would still recommend giving the Md and AD some beefy desktop power. They are of the breed to noticeably improve with better, stronger, cleaner power.
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Hmm I'll look at the E12 for now since it has good power. Last two questions, what's the difference between the regular 300$ version and the 399$ Balanced Mad Dogs with 4-pin XLR Cable? Do I need to get the 400$ one to use it with the Fiio 12, and if not, what exactly does it do? Sorry if it sounds silly or is a "newbie" question, this is my first pair of "high grade" head-phones so I'm a little unfamiliar with the terminology. And, how big are these headphones, would they even be practical in a portable sense? They don't look too huge to me but looks can be deceiving I suppose. I appreciate all the help so far as well! 


Edited by Formae - 12/25/13 at 8:04am
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I would also suggest desktop power. That recommendation was for the portable amp query. 

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I would also suggest desktop power. That recommendation was for the portable amp query. 

For Desktops do  you just need an AMP or an AMP and a Soundcard?

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Hmm I'll look at the E12 for now since it has good power. Last two questions, what's the difference between the regular 300$ version and the 399$ Balanced Mad Dogs with 4-pin XLR Cable? Do I need to get the 400$ one to use it with the Fiio 12, and if not, what exactly does it do? Sorry if it sounds silly or is a "newbie" question, this is my first pair of "high grade" head-phones so I'm a little unfamiliar with the terminology. And, how big are these headphones, would they even be practical in a portable sense? They don't look too huge to me but looks can be deceiving I suppose. I appreciate all the help so far as well! 

The Mad Dog is not huge, but not small neither.

I dont consider it's good for portable use (walking on streets, or use in the gym, etc), but to travel around in a backpack is acceptable.

About the balance Mad Dog, you will a balance amp to drive it. You can go for it, if you want to have future proof, the downside is that you may to spend more now, and need a cable adaptor to 1/4 or 1/8 jack.


Edited by vincent215 - 12/25/13 at 8:46am
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I would still recommend giving the Md and AD some beefy desktop power. They are of the breed to noticeably improve with better, stronger, cleaner power.


100% agree.  Out of vintage amps the bass was basshead worthy. 

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100% agree.  Out of vintage amps the bass was basshead worthy. 

 

+1...merry xmas O!! :atsmile:

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