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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Just wanted to chime in here and say that the Alpha Dog is the real deal.

Super fast, extremely tight, and highly balanced. No lack of bass, though its fully integrated with everything else.

It sounds like a reference headphone through and through. My only real gripe is that there is some articial twinge up top, near the region of S sounds. Same problem I had with the MD.

The AD isn't fatiguing in the slightest, but that sizzle sticks out.

This is definitely a step above the MD, though I think I still would personally enjoy the warmth, body, and slower decay of the MD more. Personal preference.

I think those looking for technicality, neutrality, and detail retrieval can do no wrong with the AD. And it's highly enjoyable and musical enough to satisfy elsewhere.

Quick impressions, and I need a bit more testing.


Good to hear. I noticed the same "twinge/sizzle" with the Mad Dog. I guess it's a driver thing and also my ear thing as very few other than yourself have ever noticed or mentioned it. Now I know what to expect. Thanks!

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How could other people not hear that or maybe just at some songs or some genres? Could you please send me a demo of those songs you hear that problem via youtube if you can or some names of songs. Thanks a lot.


Edited by LoveKnight - 12/22/13 at 6:00pm
post #4653 of 9040
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Originally Posted by LoveKnight View Post
 

How could other people not hear that or maybe just at some songs or some genres? Could you please send me a demo of those songs you hear that problem via youtube if you can or some names of songs. Thanks a lot.


How is this possible you ask? I don't know, but what I do know is that nobody else has mentioned this "problem" other than MLE and a couple of other guys? Out of the literally thousands of happy people so that's why I hestitate. It probably has to do with the way my ear canals are shaped. Dan mentioned this before. As for YouTube I don't listen to music off that so no go there, but MLE described the "issue" perfectedly. If you don't recognize his description you don't have that problem so no worries you're good to go son.

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Received on Saturday. Thank you to Musica Acoustics!

 

 

post #4655 of 9040
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Originally Posted by LoveKnight View Post

How could other people not hear that or maybe just at some songs or some genres? Could you please send me a demo of those songs you hear that problem via youtube if you can or some names of songs. Thanks a lot.
The sizzle sound is usually heard with cymbals, in my experience at least.

It's not a YouTube link, but the "Drum Solo" track in this album is a track I use for soundstage and sizzle.
http://www.hdtracks.com/dr-chesky-s-sensational-fantastic-and-simply-amazing-binaural-sound-show

Or something like this (I had NO idea this was in Sleeping Dogs...I owned the album before the game came out):


The Alpha Dog definitely had some sizzle with those songs, but I didn't find it too problematic from when I listened to it. Perhaps that kind of sound contributed to why I thought the treble sounded a bit off?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edited by miceblue - 12/22/13 at 6:19pm
post #4656 of 9040

Such lovely pics Anak!

 

Can't wait to read your impressions! ;-)

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Finally an AD owner who happens to be a photography enthusiast as well. Great photos AnakChan!

post #4658 of 9040
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


The sizzle sound is usually heard with cymbals, in my experience at least.

It's not a YouTube link, but the "Drum Solo" track in this album is a track I use for soundstage and sizzle.
http://www.hdtracks.com/dr-chesky-s-sensational-fantastic-and-simply-amazing-binaural-sound-show

Or something like this (I had NO idea this was in Sleeping Dogs...I owned the album before the game came out):


The Alpha Dog definitely had some sizzle with those songs, but I didn't find it too problematic from when I listened to it. Perhaps that kind of sound contributed to why I thought the treble sounded a bit off?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks and I have no idea either, and I finished it to almost 100% a while back.

post #4659 of 9040
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

 

 

Just listened to the Sleeping Dogs track with my MD and the cymbals don't sound like sizzle to me but they sound different then what a dynamic driver would sound.  A airy like sound.  I remember the LCD2 and HE6 having somewhat of the same kind of effect.  LCD2 more and HE6 less.  Maybe it is something about the planar drivers that have this sound.

post #4660 of 9040
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Just wanted to chime in here and say that the Alpha Dog is the real deal.

Super fast, extremely tight, and highly balanced. No lack of bass, though its fully integrated with everything else.

It sounds like a reference headphone through and through. My only real gripe is that there is some articial twinge up top, near the region of S sounds. Same problem I had with the MD.

The AD isn't fatiguing in the slightest, but that sizzle sticks out.

This is definitely a step above the MD, though I think I still would personally enjoy the warmth, body, and slower decay of the MD more. Personal preference.

I think those looking for technicality, neutrality, and detail retrieval can do no wrong with the AD. And it's highly enjoyable and musical enough to satisfy elsewhere.

Quick impressions, and I need a bit more testing.

 

Hello Mad Lust Envy, if I remember correctly, you enjoy Chillstep and the like. If so, I am definitely looking forward to your impressions since you own the Mad Dogs as well.

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I don't own the Mad Dogs, I borrowed them from Dan, just as I have borrowed the Alpha Dog from Dan.

The Alpha Dog does Chillstep justice. I may prefer the tonality on the Mad Dog myself, but the Alpha Dog doesn't do anything particularly wrong. It's detailed, neutral, and super fast. Plenty of body too.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/23/13 at 12:54am
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Two interesting measurements from personalaudio.ru:

 

post #4663 of 9040
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I don't own the Mad Dogs, I borrowed them from Dan, just as I have borrowed the Alpha Dog from Dan.

The Alpha Dog does Chillstep justice. I may prefer the tonality on the Mad Dog myself, but the Alpha Dog doesn't do anything particularly wrong. It's detailed, neutral, and super fast. Plenty of body too.

Man, I know for sure what headphones I'm going to be getting next ;) 

 

I've been on a chillstep feast for the past few weeks. Been soaking it up like a sponge lol 

 

Soloing on the guitar over this genre is just too fun

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If those graphs are accurate, I'm guessing that sudden rise at what 7.5khz or so is what bothers me on both the MD and AD.
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

Alpha Dogs review... will post it in the review section later on... it's late.


 

Introduction


First I want to start with an "I'm sorry" because I took so long to write this and to top it off, I feel as if the review was a "waste of time" because, well, I don't see it as very in-depth, my first impressions still stand (mostly), and everything has been mentioned to death but I thought I at least should record it for posterity :p
 
Anyway I've been a fan of the Mad Dogs since I got them on June/July 2012 and I've definitely been very vocal about them. They just hit all the right buttons I was looking for on a closed-back headphone:

 

  • good comfort
  • isolation
  • no leakage
  • excellent mids and good bass response

 
I remember the first time I got the Mad Dogs, I put them up to test and noticed something was "off". Bass response and extension wasn't what I was expecting and indeed the headphones couldn't properly reproduce sound below 40Hz (as far as I remember). Dan noticed my post in the thread, contacted me, requested the headphones back, and after a few days I got the properly tuned headphone (all at his expense of course). So now, not only did I had an excellent sounding headphone in my arsenal, the best thing, it kept getting better with updates. Moved from the Shure pads to the Dog and Alpha's (but did not perform the final 3.2 tuning as I felt they were great as they were.) Then... big news, Jude introduced a video talking in length about these new 3D-printed headphones... MrSpeakers Alpha Dogs.
 
Now, I didn't have access to the video at work so I didn't even noticed Jude's enthusiasm until later but I went to the order page on the spot and just ordered blindly!

And I'm glad I did! ;-)

 

 

Pros: Professional looking, excellent sound (clear), good comfort and isolation, very good presentation and accessories, excellent customer support.
 
Cons: Heavier than Mad Dogs, cable is great but don't particularly like Y-cables (prefer one sided), bass impact, still needs ample amplification to sound its best.

 


Specs:
 

  • Frequency response (+/- 3dB): 16Hz to 18KHz
  • Efficiency: 90dB/mW
  • Weight (without cable): 440g
  • Cable: Dual entry

 
 
Package Contents:
 

  • Alpha Dog's black Box (very good looking actually).
  • Headphones
  • MrSpeakers Stand
  • Dual-entry cable
  • Black pouch
  • 3M Cleaning Cloth

 
 

Design, Comfort and Build:

Design-wise, the Alpha Dogs still look like the original T50RP. I guess this is due to the unchanged headband design (although MrSpeakers adds a leather strap just as he did with the Mad Dogs). The new 3d-Printed cups though are a treat. They seem well constructed, and they are definitely well painted. Overall, they look very professional and in fact shares a bit of similarity with Fostex TH900s regarding color choice and form. Just like the original T50RP, I think they could withdstand a bit of abuse but I'm not sure how prone to scratches or marks the paint job is (and I don't want to find out willingly! ;-)) nor how durable the plastic used for the cups is but they feel sturdy enough for usual and even portable use.
 
Comfort with the Mad Dogs has always been great and when the Alpha Pads were introduced, they were like pillows on your ears. I'm glad to say that this feeling was not lost with the Alpha Dogs. You can put the headphones on your head and the comfort is excellent BUT after a few hours you start noticing the weight the new cups and the cable is exerting, especially if you use lighter headphones as well.

 

 

I find the Mad Dogs more comfortable in the end due to the weight factor but if you like the MDs and don't mind the extra weight, then you should be good to go!
 
 
Sound:
 
Now the most important part. The sound.
As usual, the first time I put the Alpha Dogs over my ears I knew I had to give it a bit of time so my brain
could play "catch-up". For some reason, every time I use any dynamic headphone (be it the Momentum, Signature DJ, Dido D901, etc.) and jump to the Mad Dogs or Alpha Dogs I ALWAYS find the headphones underwhelming!!! I have mentioned this a few times before on the Mad Dog threads and I think this is very important because even though I've had the Mad Dogs for a year plus now, I still experience the same thing (this doesn't really happen when
I compare or use other headphones). So I don't think "quick 5 minute impressions" work well with these 2 cans. Anyway, first few times I used the Alpha Dogs the first impressions were:
 
1) "Oh, they sound very clear..." (i.e. the "warmth" of the Mad Dogs was not as present)
2) "Wait, where is the bass?"
3) Love my girl Sara Bareilles on this!
4) "Amber Rubarth. Are you singing to me?"
5) "but highs sound weird..."
 
Then I remembered, "let's spend at least 20 minutes with these..." and there it was... Non ear-piercing clear highs, sibilance on bad recordings was not "enhanced" (i.e. like happens on some of my "Studio" headphones), vocals were shining through (male and female), guitar crunch was splendid on some of the metal I listen to, basically the mids were mostly left untouched as-in it is still fairly "neutral", but that added "air", that "clean-up" did make most genres more enjoyable and in fact most instruments sound more "natural" to me. Listening to something like "Basin Street Blues" is a total treat on these. Changing gears, I went through my usual playlist consisting of:
 
Thrice - Under a Killing Moon
Miguel Bose - Este Mundo Va
Kaskade - Fire in your Shoes
Blink 182 - Kaleidoscope
Jon Cleary - When you Get back
Mima - Oigo Voces
Esperanza Spalding - What a Friend
Sara Bareilles - Vegas
Killswitch Engage - Fixation on the Darkness
Juancho - Pillala
Boston - More than a Feeling
J-King y Maximan - Ella me Pide Something
Calvin Harris - Feel so Close
Three Six Mafia - Late Night Tip
Orquesta Macabeo - Me Repito

 

 

Just like the Mad Dogs before it, the Alpha Dogs can play most of these genres without breaking a sweat. But again I noticed something missing. So let's get into a head-to-head comparison.

How do the Alpha Dogs compare to the Mad Dogs? As mentioned their sound is different and it is actually quite surprising how the drivers can behave with different enclosure and/or tuning. The Alpha Dogs added that something the Mad Dogs really lacked and that's a bit more treble energy, a bit more "air" in the upper-mids and highs. Not only that, but the Bass bump of the Mad Dogs was tamed a bit and it is more refined and faster. What this does is give the illusion that there is less bass presence and elevated mids/highs. And this is basically my main "nitpick". For genres that rely on bass SLAM and presence (sub-bass), the clean sound of the Alpha Dogs and tamed lower-end is not the best match (my preference though). So while the bass indeed goes low, the lack of impact extracts a bit of the "fun" factor in songs like Kaskade's "Fire in your New Shoes"/"One Heart"/
"Room for Happiness" or even Jon Cleary's "When You get Back". On the other hand, all of these sound very good 
with their forward mids and controlled highs (something a couple of headphones cannot do either!). Oh my! ...

 

Soundstage is actually one of those topics that were discussed a few months ago in detail and quite frankly I don't find it as a huge upgrade to the Mad Dogs, but again, the "clearer" sound make it sound like it is a bit wider. Imaging though is actually improved and it's probably one of the upgrades I like the most! This is what I liked the most from the open-back Shure SRH1840s and now I can get it on a closed-back headphone! Yay! In the months that followed, I acquired a few other headphones and, what the heck, decided to compare them as well.

 

First the Shure SRH1540s. I've been a fan of Shure for a few years now and have had in my posession the 440s, 840s, 940s, 1840s and now 1540s. I was surprised at their departure for their sound on this new flagship. Surprisingly these are almost borderline basshead. After coming from the 940s (bright, boosted highs, cold-ish sounding) and the 1840s (warm, laid back mids and highs with good bass presence, similar to HD600s by Sennheiser) these sound weird, but in a good way. Compared directly to the Alpha Dogs, 1540s offer more bass, a bit boomy, mids not as forward but clear and good sounding, non-offensive highs, excellent imaging (similar to the 1840s and ADs), wider sounding. These Shure actually leak a bit of sound though and they are more comfortable (lighter as well) than the ADs.

 

 

Also got some Beyerdynamic T5p with Blue Dragon cables, bought used. The only other Beyer I had was the DT770 Pro 80s which are basshead preferred and they don't sound anything alike. Anyway, I have to say that the T5p's are "Ok". Their highlight is definitely their mids, very clear, forward and just excellent. Soundstage and imaging are very good as well but their highs are a bit too much sometimes (maybe too revealing to my tastes or maybe they are too peaky?). Bass is actually quite anemic (surprising since the DT770s were so powerful) but what it shows it's

good quality. These are very comfortable as well, good isolation and no leakage.

 

Comparison summary,

 

Bass quantity: SRH1540 --> Alpha Dogs --> Beyer T5p
Bass quality: Alpha Dogs --> Beyer T5p --> SRH1540
Mids presentation: Beyer T5p --> Alpha Dogs --> SRH1540
Soundstage/imaging: Beyer T5p --> Alpha Dogs == SRH1540
Highs: Alpha Dogs --> SRH1540 --> Beyer T5p
Sound Isolation/Leakage: Alpha Dogs --> Beyer T5p --> SRH1540
Fun Factor: SRH1540 --> Alpha Dogs --> Beyer T5p
Price: Alpha Dogs == SRH1540 --> Beyer T5p

 

Finally, just wanted to mention that I tested these guys with my usual setup:

 

Cowon C2 --> Schiit Magni
FiiO X3 --> Schiit Magni
PC --> NuForce Icon HDP --> Lehman BCL
Straight from the FiiO X3 (and yes, the Alpha Dogs sound good from the X3)

 

 

Summary:
 
So, if I were to choose a favorite from these three overall, I would pick the Alpha Dogs based on their excellent
mids, good imaging, Ok bass presence, excellent isolation and leakage control, and very good price/performance.
Let's not forget about Dan's customer service as well. Now, does this automatically says the other two are bad?

Not at all. I've had fun every time I listen ot the Shure's and actually enjoy some Radiohead and acoustic 
performances on the T5p's but I don't feel these two particularly blast away the ADs.

 

I also would like to mention, I wouldn't spend $1300 on the Beyer's. ;-)

 

 


Conclusion:

 

So after writing all of this and taking my sweet time I can finally say that I'm definitely a fan of the Alpha Dogs.
Sadly I haven't compared it to other orthodynamics or flagships, but I'm only limited to closed-back headphones since I mostly use them in my workplace. Now, are the Alpha Dogs the BEST closed-back headphone I have ever tried soundwise? No, I actually prefer Ultrasone Signature DJs/Pros over them... ;-) but let's re-phrase the question.
Are the Alpha Dogs one of the most comfortable, very good sounding closed-back headphone I've tried? As of today, yes they are. Couple that with excellent customer support, excellent perks (removable pads, cables, etc.) and excellent price and you definitely have a winner!!

 

So all in all, unless you are a basshead or just want more slam, the Alpha Dogs are an EXCELLENT buy. Just be sure of what you really want and make your selection based on your tastes and gear.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Originally Posted by dyang View Post
 

 

 

Thanks for taking time to compare the AD with Shure 1540…  I was very close to pulling the trigger in purchasing the 1540's…  But the AD is more of my taste per your review.

 

However, the carbon fiber on the 1540 looks wayyy cool…  But you know what???….  "all headphones looks the same with you're wearing them…" :wink_face:

 

AWESOME!

 

Awesome review and comparison between a few of the best closed headphones. I've never seen a review comparing the AD and Shure 1540.

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