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So these must be worse than any other headphones, with worse bass - because they are so small:

 

Take them 1" further back and yes, they are much worse...

 

You're comparing apples to oranges here...


No, if you take them further back, then you are changing the design relationship between the ear, driver and enclosure.

 

Alpha Dog takes the T50RP driver and changes the relationship to the ear (Alpha Pads) and to the enclosure (new 3D printed ear cup).

 

So, you are agreeing with me on both points:

 

* Previously you stated that one identified technically superior drivers "Because they sound better".  That was my point arguing against the other poster's comment that the drivers were identified as superior because they were more expensive, bigger and had graphs.

 

* Now you are agreeing with me that the relationship to the ear and to the enclosure is crucial to whether a driver works well or not.

 

We can only evaluate a driver based on its sound quality in use in a headphone.   As people like Dan and LFF make better and better headphones from the T50RP, we find that our estimation of the T50RP driver increases.   So, the original argument "it can't be that good because it uses a T50RP driver" is a circular argument.

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No, if you take them further back, then you are changing the design relationship between the ear, driver and enclosure.

 

Alpha Dog takes the T50RP driver and changes the relationship to the ear (Alpha Pads) and to the enclosure (new 3D printed ear cup).

 

So, you are agreeing with me on both points:

 

* Previously you stated that one identified technically superior drivers "Because they sound better".  That was my point arguing against the other poster's comment that the drivers were identified as superior because they were more expensive, bigger and had graphs.

 

* Now you are agreeing with me that the relationship to the ear and to the enclosure is crucial to whether a driver works well or not.

 

We can only evaluate a driver based on its sound quality in use in a headphone.   As people like Dan and LFF make better and better headphones from the T50RP, we find that our estimation of the T50RP driver increases.   So, the original argument "it can't be that good because it uses a T50RP driver" is a circular argument.

 

Again, your're comparing apples to orange here.

 

The T50RP driver is in the same category of that of the Audeze and Hifimans, that is: full size headphones.

I agree that the relationship to the ear and enclosure is crucial, but it doesn't change the fact than a driver might be better than another one in the same application.

 

How about a driver that you can find in many different designs and application - but still in the same category (e.g. full size headphones) - and compare it to another single headphone that gives you better results than all the others implementations. Wouldn't it be fair to say this last headphone has the best drivers? What if this headphone had bigger drivers and was the only one capable of producing good quality across the full audio range when all the others had pro and cons but never quite did it all? Wouldn't it be fair to to say it is the better driver (in part) because it is bigger?

 

On a side note: I'm pretty sure the T50RP driver in a in-ear monitor would be a pretty painful experience :D 

 

This is the last OT for me :beerchug: 

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Why is it that kstuart is always in an argument here? I don't even know what the last few pages were about...I just came here and there's an argument again. -_-
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How about a driver that you can find in many different designs and application - but still in the same category (e.g. full size headphones) - and compare it to another single headphone that gives you better results than all the others implementations. Wouldn't it be fair to say this last headphone has the best drivers? What if this headphone had bigger drivers and was the only one capable of producing good quality across the full audio range when all the others had pro and cons but never quite did it all? Wouldn't it be fair to to say it is the better driver (in part) because it is bigger?

If you had 1,000 headphones, and had a panel evaluate them, and rate them on sound quality... and then checked the driver size, and it was a statistical correlation, then yes.   If you had three or four headphones, then no.

 

Again, unless I am missing something in the theory, bigger drivers only give you bass or efficiency, and even that is a tradeoff (worse treble).   $30,000 speakers have tiny tweeters, not big ones.

 

(And it is not OT, because the context is the earlier statement by another poster - paraphrased - " Alpha Dog can only be so good because they use T50RP drivers ".)

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If you had 1,000 headphones, and had a panel evaluate them, and rate them on sound quality... and then checked the driver size, and it was a statistical correlation, then yes.   If you had three or four headphones, then no.

 

Again, unless I am missing something in the theory, bigger drivers only give you bass or efficiency, and even that is a tradeoff (worse treble).   $30,000 speakers have tiny tweeters, not big ones.

 

(And it is not OT, because the context is the earlier statement by another poster - paraphrased - " Alpha Dog can only be so good because they use T50RP drivers ".)


Please, just let it go. It gets really tiresome to read you getting into an argument with somebody every other day. Honestly, you've said enough about the issue. I'd like it if people who have something to say about the headphones, in a non-argumentative manner, would have the chance to post without it getting buried under the things you - and whoever you choose to argue with next - say. It's very irritating to try to find information in this thread when this keeps happening.

 

So... How about those Alpha Dogs?

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Valid points.  Maybe it has been discussed here and I missed it.  As even a hypothetical exercise, Dan can let us know what is possible with the T50RP driver and cup materials.  Wood, open design, etc.?  Different drivers all together?  Dan, fill us in on your methods to take over the headphone world :evil:.

 

 

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They indeed are very good especially with binaural recordings (guys, you really need to try that). But I can imagine some improvements. The cups could be made of wood, because they do sound plastic. I wonder if Dan could print wood biggrin.gif Maybe resin could be usable with 3D printing technology soon. If that ever happened I wonder what would be the price... Would that be less than 2k tongue.gif But then why to use T50RP driver, maybe better use Audeze one... Yeah, I think there is no point in improving AD and making it cost more than $600, better to go level up from here biggrin.gif
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Why is it that kstuart is always in an argument here? I don't even know what the last few pages were about...I just came here and there's an argument again. -_-

Totally agree with the common denominator mentioned. These folks who like to argue & talk over each other should either take it to private message or shut the hell up. Where is the moderator ? A sacrificial lamb needs to be slaughtered here to get things back in order.

Back on topic ... The more I listen, the more I'm loving my Alpha Dogs! A superb closed headphone with a very neutral sound personality. I use a Lyr head amp with Amperex Orange Globes to warm it up just a pinch.
Edited by brother love - 12/16/13 at 3:48pm
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Sorry, I guess I did not get the memo that "no calm rational discussion is allowed in this discussion Forum".

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The more I listen, the more I'm loving my Alpha Dogs! 

 

You are the second person who has said this in the last few pages.

 

What about it made you love them less when you first heard them? What's gotten better?

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FYI, we just sent out a newsletter.  Alpha owners may want to take a look...

 

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FYI, we just sent out a newsletter.  Alpha owners may want to take a look...

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How about for people with AD on order?
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The warranty extension and tune up are for orders (not shipments) made before the end of this year.

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The warranty extension and tune up are for orders (not shipments) made before the end of this year.

Nice, mine should be covered then. Thanks Dan!
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I went to check on my order status this afternoon on mrspeakers.com, to confirm my purchase date and see if there is any indicia whether my AD's might ship before the holidays.  Under the status column, it says "complete."  Is this what is supposed to display for an AD order that has not yet shipped or been fulfilled?

 

Also, Dan, just FYI, it looks like the date added field on the order status page is displaying day/month/year instead of month/day/year, which could cause some confusion if left as is.    

 

[Edit: after clicking submit, I just saw the posts and email about the warranty and tune up offer.  That's awesome - thank you!]


Edited by skeptic - 12/16/13 at 4:18pm
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Complete indicates payment and order complete.  Our system does not have a closed-loop process to link shipping (which is done via our payment gateway) back to the database.

 

I incorrectly stated the other day we were up to Oct 30, we missed a few from around the 25-27 which went out today, so as of today we're mostly shipped up to 10/30.  We will be working overtime all week to ship as many as we can but our painter delivered 50 right cups and no left so we lost four days of production.   

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