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post #4486 of 8576

Just enjoyed this by Alpha Dog. 

 

post #4487 of 8576

This is probably a stupid question as I couldn't find them anywhere obvious. But are the STL files available for those of us who like to DIY and own 3D printers?

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I can only think of one reason to be excited. Makes Great sounding headphones dirt cheap. I cant think of any other reason why anyone would give a crap other than that reason alone.
Seriously 600.00 WHO CARES. If they where in the 150.0 price range with sound signature of say a HE 500 which are similarly priced then HELL YEAH.
post #4489 of 8576
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Originally Posted by Snooze View Post

I can only think of one reason to be excited. Makes Great sounding headphones dirt cheap. I cant think of any other reason why anyone would give a crap other than that reason alone.
Seriously 600.00 WHO CARES. If they where in the 150.0 price range with sound signature of say a HE 500 which are similarly priced then HELL YEAH.

 

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Originally Posted by Snooze View Post

I can only think of one reason to be excited. Makes Great sounding headphones dirt cheap. I cant think of any other reason why anyone would give a crap other than that reason alone.
Seriously 600.00 WHO CARES. If they where in the 150.0 price range with sound signature of say a HE 500 which are similarly priced then HELL YEAH.

Because they are $1,200 cans for $600.  Similar sound signature to the HE-6 according to:

 

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/mrspeakers/1.html

 

Also they are closed not open.  I have not heard of any other closed cans with equivalent sound quality at that price.

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Dan, any updates on where production is on the wait list?

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Originally Posted by Snooze View Post

I can only think of one reason to be excited. Makes Great sounding headphones dirt cheap. I cant think of any other reason why anyone would give a crap other than that reason alone.
Seriously 600.00 WHO CARES. If they where in the 150.0 price range with sound signature of say a HE 500 which are similarly priced then HELL YEAH.

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post #4493 of 8576
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Dan, any updates on where production is on the wait list?

 

We're shipping Oct 30 on Monday, we should be up to 11/5 around end of the week as long as we keep the supply chain flowing.  Monday is our largest shipment ever, we've been working 6 day shifts.

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huh.... Oct 30..!  My order date is Oct 31....:eek:. The next is my turn. What a nice! :D

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huh.... Oct 30..!  My order date is Oct 31....:eek:. The next is my turn. What a nice! :D

Lucky you :)

 

I am Nov 22nd

post #4496 of 8576
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Because they are $1,200 cans for $600.

 

The T50RP driver has too many inherent limitations (size is one) to make it quite as technically competent as some headphones costing $1000+, so that's a bit of a stretch to say. THD plots are pretty indicative of this, though it's yet to be shown how much a better enclosure improves on this.

 

Are there headphones that cost more and don't necessarily perform as well across the board? Yes. Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

Because they are $1,200 cans for $600.

 

The T50RP driver has too many inherent limitations (size is one) to make it quite as technically competent as some headphones costing $1000+, so that's a bit of a stretch to say. THD plots are pretty indicative of this, though it's yet to be shown how much a better enclosure improves on this.

 

Are there headphones that cost more and don't necessarily perform as well across the board? Yes. Unfortunately.

The claim is not made by me, it is made by someone who is very conversant with expensive flagship headphones, and discusses their sound extensively in the link.

 

"THD plots" is a little vague, and I'm not aware of any clear connection between any measurement and headphone sound quality (other than frequency response curves). As regarding size, I don't know of any connection between driver size and quality.  Size is generally necessary for volume/efficiency or bass.

 

However, enclosure design is a massive part of speaker design and speaker quality, and so it makes sense that it is also a major contributor to headphone quality.  The Mad Dog - along with the Paradox and Thunderpants - represents as far as one can go with the existing Fostex enclosure, yet my first hand experience - and those of others in this thread and in reviews - is that the Alpha Dog has significantly better detail and clarity than the Mad Dog.  So, the change in enclosure definitely makes a significant difference.


Edited by kstuart - 12/15/13 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by hans030390 View Post
 

 

The T50RP driver has too many inherent limitations (size is one) to make it quite as technically competent as some headphones costing $1000+, so that's a bit of a stretch to say. THD plots are pretty indicative of this, though it's yet to be shown how much a better enclosure improves on this.

 

Are there headphones that cost more and don't necessarily perform as well across the board? Yes. Unfortunately.

This, a 1000 times!

 

In my first impressions I mentioned how I felt I could hear the limit of what the T50RP could offer. It's not fair to ask a $150 headphone's driver to be as competent as a $1000 headphone, even in the best designed cup.

I felt that all the improvements over the Mad Dogs "shortcomings", had a negative impact on some other aspects of the sound, where the MDs still shine. Bass is one of them, IMO. One cannot ask for both extended treble and bass impact out of such small drivers (I don't know if size is the matter here, but by small I also mean cheap). I never heard the original T50RP but those who heard them reported that the MD (and now the AD), iteration after iteration, pushed the sound in different leagues each time. But there's a limit where the sound won't improve any further and just offer a different take on the sound (think sound signature tuning). I feel like the ADs reached that limit and, somehow, show it.

 

No counting some $1000 jokes (ultrasone? grado? who knows...), I think the $600 sticker offer you the same value for dollar as the Hifimans (in terms of sound). Yes, I still feel the HE-5LE and HE-500 are better technically, but they also have no isolation to offer here, and nowhere near the same comfort. It's quite a feat for a small family business in the US and for all this: hats off :beerchug:. MrSpeakers also offers the best support in the business and the outmost attention to customer's satisfaction (upgrade programs, etc.). I know it's a hassle and nobody forces him to do that; many companies just don't. For that, pants off! :beerchug:. I will stop here, it's too cold now... 

 

Back to the $1000 question - or let's stretch it to exactly $1300 : no, it is clearly not in the league of the HE-6, sorry but there's no show here. They are in different categories, period. It really is a night and day feeling, on every aspect of the sound.

But is it fair to compare them, given the price difference? I don't think so.


Edited by Clemmaster - 12/15/13 at 10:54pm
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Review unit's not the only thing with a screw loose (rimshot).

 

Am I the only one who thinks that screw-gate is a cover for a running change in the tuning of production units that is a result of the tepid reaction to units delivered in the first 6 weeks?


Edited by thune - 12/16/13 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by hans030390 View Post
 

The T50RP driver has too many inherent limitations (size is one) to make it quite as technically competent as some headphones costing $1000+, so that's a bit of a stretch to say. THD plots are pretty indicative of this, though it's yet to be shown how much a better enclosure improves on this.

 

The Thunderpants measure very well, actually:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/diy-orthodynamic-headphone-measurements-and-contest-page-2

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