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No, but the article is a clear and short explanation of why no one headphone works for everything

(which you - of all people - should certainly understand since you have three different "end game" headphones).

 

You don't have to be a "expert" to understand that. Also, there are plenty of people on here that have only one headphone that they call "end-game" for themselves. Could be the Alpha, could be Beats.

I didn't call anyone an expert.  I cited the article because it explains the relevant concepts in a short and clear manner.

 

There are plenty of people on head-fi who still do not understand why no one headphone works for everything - it's just something that they accept once they hear ten people saying it.

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I didn't call anyone an expert.  I cited the article because it explains the relevant concepts in a short and clear manner.

 

There are plenty of people on head-fi who still do not understand why no one headphone works for everything - it's just something that they accept once they hear ten people saying it.

 

You speak as though this hobby isn't completely subjective. People don't understand why no one headphone works for everything because that is a personal opinion, not fact. I agree people tend to herd together when hype grows but who really cares. If someone finds joy with one headphone and they feel it works with everything then good for them. I'm jealous of their unintentional fortitude. It will save them a ton of money. 

 

As for my comment about an expert, I've just seen a pattern that you seem to really like quoting Mike at Headfonia. While that isn't bad, I don't think people who write for a website knows what is best for general enthusiasts. Not even close. Finding out what you like is part of why we collaborate here on Head-Fi IMO. 

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I'd say my current headphones are pretty much end-game for me. I have my trusty dynamic K 701 for a vocal/soundstage width/instrument separation reference, my trusty dynamic V-MODA M-100 as my go-to headphone for portable and mobile use, and my trusty entry-level electrostatic STAX SRS-2170 for an overall reference. All I need is a trusty planar magnetic headphone and the Alpha Dog or Paradox might be it, depending on whether or not I like the LCD-X which is waaay beyond my $300 budget per component in the audio chain.

So-called "end game" headphones such as the HE-500 or LCD-2 are good, but I wouldn't say either fit my preferences from a sonic or aesthetic perspective. I ain't planning to spend a ridiculous $5000+ on a so-called "end game" STAX rig either.
Edited by miceblue - 12/6/13 at 12:24pm
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I don't think people who write for a website knows what is best for general enthusiasts. Not even close. Finding out what you like is part of why we collaborate here on Head-Fi IMO. 

And I didn't say that he knows what is best.  I said that he wrote a short, clear article on a concept.   The only thing you can say about "people who write for a website" is that they are writers.   Traffic and popularity indicate that people like their writing.  If I wrote for a website no one would be interested - simply because I am not a very good writer.   So, instead I like to link to writers saying the same concepts.

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That sort of thing is discussed in the 6moons review of the AD, where it is compared to the HE6 and the LCD3 and others.

 

Generally, the pluses for the AD in those comparisons are the isolation and the relatively low price.  If neither are important to you, then you would want to do in-person comparisons.

 

6Moons Article:

Actually, the 6Moons article (by Srajan Ebaen) discusses several other pluses for the Alpha Dog v. other top headphones, in addition to isolation and relatively low price. Comfort and construction quality were also big pluses, and of course, certain sonic attributes mentioned below. Though difficult to follow, the article was actually extraordinarily positive about the AD and concludes by giving the AD a 6Moons award.  Here's the article: 

 

     http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/mrspeakers/1.html  

 

New favorite planar and favorite closed headphone  -- He stated that the AD shared, with the LCD-2, the role as his favorite planar headphone  But, if one added some additional bass to the AD via EQ, the AD became his new favorite planar (above the LCD-2).  He stated that "On top-to-bottom bandwidth it's now competitive with HifiMan's very best. In the treble it one-ups Audeze."  In addition, he felt that he would pick the AD as his favorite closed (non-planar) headphone, replacing the Beyerdynamic T5p.

 

In making those statements, in the article he compared the AD with the Mad Dog, LCD-2, LCD-3, HE-6 and the Beyerdynamic T5p.

 

The article can be summarized as follows:

(1)  Versus Mad Dog -- He felt the AD was clearly superior to the Mad Dog, like a "hi rez version of the Mad Dog"... "Same game, clearer vision, higher octave, more life and linearity".

 

(2)  Versus LCD-2 -- The AD has a better treble though the LCD-2 has the best bass around of any hp, in his opinion.  Importantly, he stated that on "airiness" the AD actually "edged out" the open back LCD-2, which he said was a "big compliment" for the AD.  As such, he felt the AD and LCD-2 were about equal overall and shared the role as his favorite planar.  But, if one added some EQ to increase the AD bass, then the AD wins over the LCD-2 as a better balanced hp.

 

(3)  Versus LCD-3 -- He didn't feel the LCD-3 was an improvement over the LCD-2 overall and even had somewhat inferior bass.  So, in effect, the AD wins overall against the LCD-3.

 

(4)  Versus HE-6 -- The HE-6 is so demanding of power that, unless one had suitable amp power, you are more likely to hear the AD sound "so much better than the HE-6".  Also, the treble on the HE-6 could be too bright -- "steelier and with sibilants spittier".  He "favored the AD's take on it".  Also, he felt the HE-6 could be "a bit drier and damped" while the AD was "a bit glossier, wetter and more generous", a sound he favored.  However, wrt bass, he again, as with the LCD-2, favored the HE-6 bass.  It also seemed that under certain conditions he would favor the HE-6 overall v. the AD.

 

(5)  HE-500 - No comparison with AD but he felt in comparison with the HE-6 the HE-500 was the "better balanced effort."

 

(6)  Audeze LCD-XC (closed) and open-backed Abyss -- He mentions them but doesn't make a comparison but they weren't picked as his "favorite".

 

(7)  Versus Beyerdynamic T5p (which he favors sonically over the T1) -- "The T5p was pricklier. Sharper around the edges. Harder. Edgier, the planars had more suave decays to feel more fluid and texturally softer without booking those qualities with lower attack precision. Purely subjectively I'd pick the Alpha Dog."

 

As mentioned, a highly favorable review.


Edited by Skyyyeman - 12/6/13 at 7:20pm
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And I didn't say that he knows what is best.  I said that he wrote a short, clear article on a concept.   The only thing you can say about "people who write for a website" is that they are writers.   Traffic and popularity indicate that people like their writing.  If I wrote for a website no one would be interested - simply because I am not a very good writer.   So, instead I like to link to writers saying the same concepts.

 

You're hung up on semantics, which are honestly irrelevant. Your comment earlier was what I questioned. Which you still have not given any clear reason why those comments made by Mike and you should be taken as anything but an opinion and not as fact. 

 

The AD is a good headphone IMO, and some will find it endgame and great for everything. 

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There's been a lot of argument for the sake of argument in this thread lately, unless I'm just interpreting everyone's tone as a lot more standoffish than they really are.

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And I didn't say that he knows what is best.  I said that he wrote a short, clear article on a concept.   The only thing you can say about "people who write for a website" is that they are writers.   Traffic and popularity indicate that people like their writing.  If I wrote for a website no one would be interested - simply because I am not a very good writer.   So, instead I like to link to writers saying the same concepts.

 

You're hung up on semantics, which are honestly irrelevant. Your comment earlier was what I questioned. Which you still have not given any clear reason why those comments made by Mike and you should be taken as anything but an opinion and not as fact. 

 

The AD is a good headphone IMO, and some will find it endgame and great for everything. 


Semantics are irrelevant in talking ?  Are you kidding me ?

 

For example, you just said "you still have not given any clear reason why those comments made by Mike and you should be taken as anything but an opinion and not as fact. "

 

Show me where I said they were fact ??

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There's been a lot of argument for the sake of argument in this thread lately, unless I'm just interpreting everyone's tone as a lot more standoffish than they really are.

Chronology:

 

* Someone asked for opinions

 

* I gave mine, using a link to someone who writes in a more clearly understood way than myself.

 

* A third person started to argue with the fact that I linked to someone else.

 

* I argued against the third person's points.


Edited by kstuart - 12/6/13 at 1:09pm
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Semantics are irrelevant in talking ?  Are you kidding me ?

 

For example, you just said "you still have not given any clear reason why those comments made by Mike and you should be taken as anything but an opinion and not as fact. "

 

Show me where I said they were fact ??

 

You quoted Mike as evidence(?) of your opinion as his, that no one headphone is for everything. To me that screams subjectivism because how would you, Mike, or anyone know what is "right for everything" per anyone but yourself, himself, blah blah. 

 

That is my point. You're passing this off as fact. "There are plenty of people on head-fi who still do not understand why no one headphone works for everything - it's just something that they accept once they hear ten people saying it." That is a blanket statement which you have no evidence to substantiate that claim. 

 

Anyways, this is turning into an OT, unrelated discussion. My problem is I feel the AD can be an "end-game", "headphone for everything" type of headphone, just depends on the person. 

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Dang guys sorry, didn't mean to start a fight between everyone or anything. I just wanted some opinions if they could be end game that isn't the standard Head Fi answer: "It depends."

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:popcorn:

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Oh come on!  Can we just cool it with the P***ing matches already?  Take it to PM if you've got to have one.  The rest of us don't care.

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Dang guys sorry, didn't mean to start a fight between everyone or anything. I just wanted some opinions if they could be end game that isn't the standard Head Fi answer: "It depends."

I don't know that one headphone can even be end game for one individual and all genres.  For example, the Ultrasone Signature DJ is my end game for pop and EDM, but the Alpha Dogs interest me for their vocal presentation with artists such as Norah Jones, Jewel, Carly Simon, etc. (not that the Sig DJ doesn't perform well with those genres). 

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Oh come on!  Can we just cool it with the P***ing matches already?  Take it to PM if you've got to have one.  The rest of us don't care.
+1....yes I'm watching.
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