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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

:beerchug:

Dan,  they are just trying to figure out which dog to go with for the $.  The crazy dog or the boss dog.  :D

Btw, jan/feb for upgrade and readily available for the AD, right?

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Yes, Jan for start of upgrades...

post #4173 of 7942
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It's interesting that in our modern consumer culture...

 

... one cannot recommend that a stranger buy the cheaper item...

 

... without being perceived as "condescending" and "elitist"...

You recommended I buy the cheeper item because you feel I am not cultured enough in the world of audio to appreciate the difference in the two. That's what makes it condescending. If you recommended the Mad Dogs because you felt they were just the better piece of audio equipment, then that's a different thing all together.

 

I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise. If you feel they are better for you (regardless of price), but actually worse for someone of my experience, that makes you an elitist.

 

I love wine. I know a lot about wine. If we were at a show and someone was giving away different bottles of wine, and you were with me, and wine was not something you had massive exposure to, I would recommend the same wine I like. For me to suggest that a better bottle of wine would taste worse to you strictly because you had not been exposed to enough of it to appreciate what makes it great, would make me an elitist.

 

A great bottle of wine is a great bottle of wine. Regardless of if it's your first or your thousandth (sadly, my thousandth bottle of wine was many years ago). 


Edited by JeremyR - 11/26/13 at 9:40pm
post #4174 of 7942
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

:beerchug:

understood. I am done :). Now when are my AD's coming! :)

 

(just kidding, I ordered them last week. I know I need to wait a while)

post #4175 of 7942
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 

I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise. If you feel they are better for you (regardless of price), but actually worse for someone of my experience, that makes you an elitist.

Actually, I don't have any doubt that - if I could keep only one pair of headphones period, full stop, it would be the Mad Dogs.  It has "more genre bandwidth" or I think Mike Ting would say "more of an all-rounder".

 

The Alpha Dog is more specialized, like a pair of downhill racing skis.

 

Whereas if I were to recommend only one bottle of wine to someone, it would be a 1982 Lafite.  Either the person would like it or not, but if not, it wouldn't be any worse than Gallo Hearty Burgundy for them.

 

Mike Ting of Headfonia recommends having 2 or 3 different headphones with different strengths, rather than spending one's whole budget on one pair.

 

that seems on-topic to me, and I'm happy to drop anything else.

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Wow, there are some truly terrible analogies being thrown around in this thread lately. Headphones and skis...really?

 

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I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise.

 

Uh, me...just couldn't stand the uneven top end of the AD with my sensitive baby ears and go-to genre: progressive metal. Softer music was much less problematic. I go for all-rounder headphones, not "specialized" stuff (aka: it has enough problem areas that it doesn't work well with everything).

 

BTW, glad to hear Opeth's "Heritage" is suiting you. :)


Edited by hans030390 - 11/27/13 at 12:24am
post #4177 of 7942
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Originally Posted by Lillee View Post

Anyhow.........


So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

I'm right there with you, although trying to keep in mind that delayed gratification is often the best kind. Very excited to hear them with my recently completed bottlehead mainline. Should be a fantastic combo running balanced (grounds taken from the center taps of the output transformers).
Edited by skeptic - 11/27/13 at 12:32am
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Edited by aamefford - 11/27/13 at 5:58am
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Dan, can I please throw my upgrade money at you before I lose it again? January is still a long time then of course I don't know where I am in line.  AARRGGGG!!

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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

Actually, I don't have any doubt that - if I could keep only one pair of headphones period, full stop, it would be the Mad Dogs.  It has "more genre bandwidth" or I think Mike Ting would say "more of an all-rounder".

 

Can you post me to the link where Mike Ting says that please? The only reviewish thing I could find from him is the link you posted earlier in this thread, where he could not say enough good things about the Alpha Dogs. He says the following:

 

"Music feels more palpable and real, dynamics are better and it also improved the perceived dynamic range. Like the TP, the Alpha didn’t feel like they were using standard Fostex T50RP drivers. More like an improved, updated version of the T50RP drivers."

 

I didn't get that they were less of an all-rounder from that, so that leads me to believe there is another review, but I just can't find it.

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Sorry, the sentence is ambiguous - I meant that IIRC Mike Ting would use that phrase for the concept.

 

Mike TIng has never heard the Mad Dog 3.2 (unless he also heard them in Tokyo but did not mention it).

 

His favorite genre is classical, which I would guess is a big factor in why he ordered the Alpha Dogs after his audition

 

As alluded to earlier, I do recommend the Alpha Dogs for anyone who listens to a significant amount of classical and other acoustic music, because all its strong points are in play with such music.


Edited by kstuart - 11/27/13 at 8:56am
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post #4183 of 7942
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Thanks for the review.

 

Quick question. You say the AD's are better for area's where accurate representation matters, but for EDM where it's pretty much up to the user to figure out how they want to listen to it, the MD's are your preferred headphone.

 

If for EDM it does not really matter how accurate the source is, can't you just EQ the AD's to perform however you like when listening to EDM, and then utilize the AD's advantages when not?

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Edited by Saren - 11/27/13 at 9:14am
post #4185 of 7942
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 
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Thanks for the review.

 

Quick question. You say the AD's are better for area's where accurate representation matters, but for EDM where it's pretty much up to the user to figure out how they want to listen to it, the MD's are your preferred headphone.

 

If for EDM it does not really matter how accurate the source is, can't you just EQ the AD's to perform however you like when listening to EDM, and then utilize the AD's advantages when not?

I haven't tried EQ-ing the AD, but some have done so (as they reported earlier in the thread).

 

To my perception, the Alpha Dog already gets its accuracy from absorbing a lot of the sound that would otherwise produce a spike at some frequency or blur the soundstage.  So, it is less efficient than the Mad Dog, already a somewhat low efficiency headphone.  EQ, especially in the bass, would call for even more power.

That is where the "speaker taps method" (has a separate thread by IIRC "Malveaux") might do the job.

 

I don't recall if anyone has reported on using the AD with speaker taps, but it should be quite good that way.

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