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Anyhow.........


So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

I'm right there with you, although trying to keep in mind that delayed gratification is often the best kind. Very excited to hear them with my recently completed bottlehead mainline. Should be a fantastic combo running balanced (grounds taken from the center taps of the output transformers).
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Dan, can I please throw my upgrade money at you before I lose it again? January is still a long time then of course I don't know where I am in line.  AARRGGGG!!

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Actually, I don't have any doubt that - if I could keep only one pair of headphones period, full stop, it would be the Mad Dogs.  It has "more genre bandwidth" or I think Mike Ting would say "more of an all-rounder".

 

Can you post me to the link where Mike Ting says that please? The only reviewish thing I could find from him is the link you posted earlier in this thread, where he could not say enough good things about the Alpha Dogs. He says the following:

 

"Music feels more palpable and real, dynamics are better and it also improved the perceived dynamic range. Like the TP, the Alpha didn’t feel like they were using standard Fostex T50RP drivers. More like an improved, updated version of the T50RP drivers."

 

I didn't get that they were less of an all-rounder from that, so that leads me to believe there is another review, but I just can't find it.

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Sorry, the sentence is ambiguous - I meant that IIRC Mike Ting would use that phrase for the concept.

 

Mike TIng has never heard the Mad Dog 3.2 (unless he also heard them in Tokyo but did not mention it).

 

His favorite genre is classical, which I would guess is a big factor in why he ordered the Alpha Dogs after his audition

 

As alluded to earlier, I do recommend the Alpha Dogs for anyone who listens to a significant amount of classical and other acoustic music, because all its strong points are in play with such music.


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Thanks for the review.

 

Quick question. You say the AD's are better for area's where accurate representation matters, but for EDM where it's pretty much up to the user to figure out how they want to listen to it, the MD's are your preferred headphone.

 

If for EDM it does not really matter how accurate the source is, can't you just EQ the AD's to perform however you like when listening to EDM, and then utilize the AD's advantages when not?

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Thanks for the review.

 

Quick question. You say the AD's are better for area's where accurate representation matters, but for EDM where it's pretty much up to the user to figure out how they want to listen to it, the MD's are your preferred headphone.

 

If for EDM it does not really matter how accurate the source is, can't you just EQ the AD's to perform however you like when listening to EDM, and then utilize the AD's advantages when not?

I haven't tried EQ-ing the AD, but some have done so (as they reported earlier in the thread).

 

To my perception, the Alpha Dog already gets its accuracy from absorbing a lot of the sound that would otherwise produce a spike at some frequency or blur the soundstage.  So, it is less efficient than the Mad Dog, already a somewhat low efficiency headphone.  EQ, especially in the bass, would call for even more power.

That is where the "speaker taps method" (has a separate thread by IIRC "Malveaux") might do the job.

 

I don't recall if anyone has reported on using the AD with speaker taps, but it should be quite good that way.

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kstuart I found your avatar in one of the local sushi restaurants in the area.


I think this is the new meeting place for the Audio Club that was recently started at our university. Apparently the owner sells some hi-fi stuff. I should have tried the Alpha Dog out of one of the McIntosh amps there... XD
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I haven't tried EQ-ing the AD, but some have done so (as they reported earlier in the thread).

To my perception, the Alpha Dog already gets its accuracy from absorbing a lot of the sound that would otherwise produce a spike at some frequency or blur the soundstage.  So, it is less efficient than the Mad Dog, already a somewhat low efficiency headphone.  EQ, especially in the bass, would call for even more power.
That is where the "speaker taps method" (has a separate thread by IIRC "Malveaux") might do the job.

I don't recall if anyone has reported on using the AD with speaker taps, but it should be quite good that way.

Yep, it needs more power to shine. Also AD is very sensitive to what you put in chain. I tried several setups and the sound was very different in every setting.

If I connect directly to N900 then I get weak bass, and at max volume they sound rather quiet (not to mention that N900 has quite powerful amp).
When I use Pan Am as amp and dac then treble are loud and not accurate. That setup sounds very digital.
The differences in jitter between different computers when I use USB input of Pan Am are audible.
Then I can toslink from Xonar DG to NAD and then from preamp to Pan Am RCA input. This setup sounds nice, and even nicer if I use ASIO driver or Jack under Linux.
The best results I think I get when playing CD from my LG toslink to NAD and RCA to Pan Am.

Why there are differences? When I use Pan Am as dac then it all depends on stability of USB transmission. This depends on computer, OS, drivers and player application. When using toslink there is still jitter on optical transceivers, also the optical-to-coax converter I use with Xonar DG (because I ran out of optical inputs in NAD) adds its input to the equation. The LG is specialized device, so the jitter on optical out should be rather minimal. I wonder how would it compare to famous Oppo CD player.

My conclusion is if your chain (source/dac/amp) is low-fi, then don't buy Alpha Dog. Go for something else (I would go for PSB M4U) and save a lot of money. If you plan upgrade of your chain then Alpha Dog is worth consideration. But then is Alpha Dog what you want to choose? I was wondering about other closed choices at AD price level, like TH600 or AH-D5000.

When you upgrade your chain some of your headphones may already benefit from that, like for example Momentum. They sound well with laptop or phone, but the same moment I connected them to Pan Am they got completely new life. Main difference was in soundstage, bass power and treble detail. I wonder if tubes have anything to do with that improvement biggrin.gif
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Just to put in a different point of view, the AD's are one of the easiest to drive planar's out there.  I can run mine through the HP out of my Marantz SR-7001 and get an experience that rivals any other headphone I have heard.

 

For the record, I am very skeptical about the sonic qualities of amps.  As long as I have sufficient power and current, if an amp alters the sound, then it is not a transparent amp.  I am of the 'straight wire with gain' school of amplification.

 

I also run the AD's out of the speaker taps using an adapter.  When I volume match, the is no discernible difference in sound quality.

 

The AD's are the best all-around headphone I own.  Again, that's through the measly HP out on my receiver.

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I am one of the "gotta have a big amp or just get grado sr60's" dissenters.  I started off with the MD's out of a Pico Slim (small iem amp from Headamp).  The amp would max out at the high end of comfortable with me.  Still, they sounded good.  I now use a HIFI-M8 - darned good in it's own right, and a darned good portable.  Sure the MD's sound even better out of a high end desktop, but they are very enjoyable out of many decently powerful amps, and not bad out lower powered ones.  They are even ok (barely) out of an iPhone alone.

 

Head-fi tends to be a "what? you didn't bring a Ferrari? Take that 'vette and go home!" kind of place.  Truth be told, that 'vette provides 99% of the fun for 20% of the cost.

 

What's my point?  Take the "you need lots of power or don't bother" comments with a grain of salt.  The Alpha Dogs are similar in power requirements to the MD's to my ears, so my opinion still holds, at least in my opinion...

 

What about the "Vintage Receivers are Awesome" folks?  I got nothin'.  Often cheap gobs of power, lots of people love 'em, I haven't tried them, so I'm not gonna knock them.  Instead, I'm gonna try them out first chance I get!  I am positive you can happily drive the AD's with much less power though.

 

OK, Rant/ramble over now...

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I am one of the "gotta have a big amp or just get grado sr60's" dissenters.  I started off with the MD's out of a Pico Slim (small iem amp from Headamp).  The amp would max out at the high end of comfortable with me.  Still, they sounded good.  I now use a HIFI-M8 - darned good in it's own right, and a darned good portable.  Sure the MD's sound even better out of a high end desktop, but they are very enjoyable out of many decently powerful amps, and not bad out lower powered ones.  They are even ok (barely) out of an iPhone alone.

 

Head-fi tends to be a "what? you didn't bring a Ferrari? Take that 'vette and go home!" kind of place.  Truth be told, that 'vette provides 99% of the fun for 20% of the cost.

 

What's my point?  Take the "you need lots of power or don't bother" comments with a grain of salt.  The Alpha Dogs are similar in power requirements to the MD's to my ears, so my opinion still holds, at least in my opinion...

 

What about the "Vintage Receivers are Awesome" folks?  I got nothin'.  Often cheap gobs of power, lots of people love 'em, I haven't tried them, so I'm not gonna knock them.  Instead, I'm gonna try them out first chance I get!  I am positive you can happily drive the AD's with much less power though.

 

OK, Rant/ramble over now...


+1, awesome.  Good reminder that this hobby can simply be fun.  So many options to try, and all much cheaper than upgrading home audio/ home theater gear.

 

And yeah, I would love to hear the AD's through a vintage Sansui.  I might have to make that happen next year.

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Where is the Demo Tour pair?

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