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post #4156 of 8834
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

(1)  "elitist"

 

I've said this several times in several ways, and you just cannot comprehend it.   It is NOT better to be an audiophile with a $30,000 system.

 

In certain ways, being an audiophile is worse.   It means that you listen to the hall reverb, instead of listening to Pavarotti.

 

(2) It is very well known that if you put two identical TVs in a room, one that is professionally calibrated to make everything look realistic and accurate, and one that has color, contrast and sharpness turned up to 10, people will prefer the latter one.  This is not new or controversial, all TV sales guys know this and setup sets in Walmart, Best Buy, and so forth in accordance with this.

 

Similar things are in play in audio, just compare the sales - even to head-fi members - of "accurate" and "neutral" headphones to "fun" headphones...

 

(3) The idea that "quality matters to everyone" is very funny.  Certainly only someone living in Upper Middle Class World could think that.

 

There is probably a better example, but the plot of " Fight Club " touches on the ridiculousness of that idea (amongst many others).

 

 

I am pretty sure I have heard some amateur trying to get down the hill on racing skis, saying "I felt like my legs would explode".

 

By the way, the thread running through your comments is " more expensive means quality ".  Every time I mention expensive professional gear, you replace the word "pro" with "quality"...

 

Where have I mentioned money? If all I cared about was the cost of headphones, there are many many more option above $600 I could be talking about. The entire reason Dan has created his lines, is so quality can be had for less money.

 

Your analogy was more along the lines of if I bought a high end TV at a high end electronics store, there would be no way for me to enjoy it as much as the TV I buy at Walmart, because I am not trained enough to understand it. That somehow the lower quality TV would provide me a better viewing experience.

 

That's just BS.

 

As for desiring quality, I didn't know that was a class based thing. I get that those in a lower price bracket can't obtain the same quality as those with means, but that's not the same as them not desiring it.

 

 

Anyway, this conversation is going no where, and has nothing to do with Alpha Dog headphones, so lets just drop it.

post #4157 of 8834

I like expensive headphones, TVs and skis. And I like money to buy them.

post #4158 of 8834
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Originally Posted by sunneebear View Post
 

I like expensive headphones, TVs and skis. And I like money to buy them.

and while I ski, I wear my expensive HPs as ear muffs.  :p

 

Guys, let's move on.  It's something that will have to be duked out over a few beers in person, not online.  I don't think you 2 are talking on the same frequency and about the same thing anymore.

post #4159 of 8834

Anyhow.........

 

 

So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

 

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

post #4160 of 8834
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Originally Posted by Lillee View Post
 

Anyhow.........

 

 

So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

 

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

Like you, I hate waiting so I haven't ordered yet.  I will wait until it's readily available in stock like the MD before.  Maybe, some will pop up used too by then.

post #4161 of 8834
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Like you, I hate waiting so I haven't ordered yet.  I will wait until it's readily available in stock like the MD before.  Maybe, some will pop up used too by then.

 

 

You are much stronger willed than I am, clearly

post #4162 of 8834
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Originally Posted by Lillee View Post
 

 

 

You are much stronger willed than I am, clearly

lol.  I am not too sure about that.  I am just lucky to have listened to the AD already.  I liked it quite a bit but for now my HE500 will help me with the wait.

post #4163 of 8834

It's interesting that in our modern consumer culture...

 

... one cannot recommend that a stranger buy the cheaper item...

 

... without being perceived as "condescending" and "elitist"...

post #4164 of 8834

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

:beerchug:

post #4165 of 8834
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

:beerchug:

Dan,  they are just trying to figure out which dog to go with for the $.  The crazy dog or the boss dog.  :D

Btw, jan/feb for upgrade and readily available for the AD, right?

post #4166 of 8834

Yes, Jan for start of upgrades...

post #4167 of 8834
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

It's interesting that in our modern consumer culture...

 

... one cannot recommend that a stranger buy the cheaper item...

 

... without being perceived as "condescending" and "elitist"...

You recommended I buy the cheeper item because you feel I am not cultured enough in the world of audio to appreciate the difference in the two. That's what makes it condescending. If you recommended the Mad Dogs because you felt they were just the better piece of audio equipment, then that's a different thing all together.

 

I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise. If you feel they are better for you (regardless of price), but actually worse for someone of my experience, that makes you an elitist.

 

I love wine. I know a lot about wine. If we were at a show and someone was giving away different bottles of wine, and you were with me, and wine was not something you had massive exposure to, I would recommend the same wine I like. For me to suggest that a better bottle of wine would taste worse to you strictly because you had not been exposed to enough of it to appreciate what makes it great, would make me an elitist.

 

A great bottle of wine is a great bottle of wine. Regardless of if it's your first or your thousandth (sadly, my thousandth bottle of wine was many years ago). 


Edited by JeremyR - 11/26/13 at 9:40pm
post #4168 of 8834
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

:beerchug:

understood. I am done :). Now when are my AD's coming! :)

 

(just kidding, I ordered them last week. I know I need to wait a while)

post #4169 of 8834
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 

I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise. If you feel they are better for you (regardless of price), but actually worse for someone of my experience, that makes you an elitist.

Actually, I don't have any doubt that - if I could keep only one pair of headphones period, full stop, it would be the Mad Dogs.  It has "more genre bandwidth" or I think Mike Ting would say "more of an all-rounder".

 

The Alpha Dog is more specialized, like a pair of downhill racing skis.

 

Whereas if I were to recommend only one bottle of wine to someone, it would be a 1982 Lafite.  Either the person would like it or not, but if not, it wouldn't be any worse than Gallo Hearty Burgundy for them.

 

Mike Ting of Headfonia recommends having 2 or 3 different headphones with different strengths, rather than spending one's whole budget on one pair.

 

that seems on-topic to me, and I'm happy to drop anything else.

post #4170 of 8834

Wow, there are some truly terrible analogies being thrown around in this thread lately. Headphones and skis...really?

 

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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post

 

I suspect between the two, if you could only own one pair, you would go with the Alpha Dogs. I know of no audio enthusiast that so far has said otherwise.

 

Uh, me...just couldn't stand the uneven top end of the AD with my sensitive baby ears and go-to genre: progressive metal. Softer music was much less problematic. I go for all-rounder headphones, not "specialized" stuff (aka: it has enough problem areas that it doesn't work well with everything).

 

BTW, glad to hear Opeth's "Heritage" is suiting you. :)


Edited by hans030390 - 11/27/13 at 12:24am
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