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post #4156 of 7697
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

Again, people take this as a status, and it is not - it is just an activity.

 

Generally, people these days are in the room with music all the time.   Stores have music, TV shows and movies have music.   People play music to relax.  All just fine.

 

Some people pay attention to the music, have favorite artists, follow those artists on tour around the country, etc.

 

The three types of people mentioned in the quote are those who pay attention to small details of the sound - how clear is the hall reverberation, is the sound of the fingers hitting the bass strings clear or dulled a little, how close does the tone of the trumpet sound to a real trumpet, etc.

 

Audiophiles do that by definition.   No good or bad, right or wrong associated with it.

 

Going back to the skis example, professionals pick through as many as a dozen pairs of the same model skis, waxed slightly differently - or even just slight production variations.   I know that I could not tell them apart.

 

So as far as "anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment" - I am trying to debunk that idea, and here is another example.  There is an episode of Top Gear UK (I think about a year ago), where they try to drive professional race cars.  The results are comical, despite the fact that all of them drive cards for a living (to review them).  In some cases, pro equipment could be used by anyone else (baseball comes to mind), but many times not.

 

Of course, salesmen always promote "anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment"...

 

Sorry, but that's a horrible analogy. That's like saying if I skied on the highest quality ski's in the world, that my legs would explode. Or if I tried the highest quality headphones, some how they will perform worse then cheap headphones.

 

I will agree that if you give well trained ears 10 high end amps, they can tell you what sounds different about them and then pick the ones that best suite there needs based on there experience, and a less trained ear would not be able to do that.

 

However if you put 10 amps in a room, 5 very low end, and 5 very high end, and asked someone like me to pick the one that sounds the best, 9 out of 10 times we will pick from the top 5. Quality matters to everyone. Not just self professed elitist.

post #4157 of 7697
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
 

 

Sorry, but that's a horrible analogy. That's like saying if I skied on the highest quality ski's in the world, that my legs would explode. Or if I tried the highest quality headphones, some how they will perform worse then cheap headphones.

 

I will agree that if you give well trained ears 10 high end amps, they can tell you what sounds different about them and then pick the ones that best suite there needs based on there experience, and a less trained ear would not be able to do that.

 

However if you put 10 amps in a room, 5 very low end, and 5 very high end, and asked someone like me to pick the one that sounds the best, 9 out of 10 times we will pick from the top 5. Quality matters to everyone. Not just self professed elitist.

 

**** just got real. OT... but REAL.

post #4158 of 7697

^ I think it's time to drop the topic and let's move on.  My take has always been that if you can hear and appreciate the better differences and can afford it, by all means, spend your $ to your heart's content.  If you can't hear/distinguish the quality difference audibly, save yourself some $.  Don't just buy a high end product just for the sake of ownership/bragging right and pretend that you could tell/appreciate.  Audiophile, elitist, whatever .... doesn't matter.

post #4159 of 7697
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ I think it's time to drop the topic and let's move on.  My take has always been that if you can hear and appreciate the better differences and can afford it, by all means, spend your $ to your heart's content.  If you can't hear/distinguish the quality difference audibly, save yourself some $.  Don't just buy a high end product just for the sake of ownership/bragging right and pretend that you could tell/appreciate.  Audiophile, elitist, whatever .... doesn't matter.

Agreed. I can accept that at some point, those with less experienced ears are just wasting there money buying better equipment. But the idea that doing so will actually negatively impact your listening experience because your not trained enough to use it, is just ridiculous.

post #4160 of 7697
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Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
However if you put 10 amps in a room, 5 very low end, and 5 very high end, and asked someone like me to pick the one that sounds the best, 9 out of 10 times we will pick from the top 5. Quality matters to everyone. Not just self professed elitist.

(1)  "elitist"

 

I've said this several times in several ways, and you just cannot comprehend it.   It is NOT better to be an audiophile with a $30,000 system.

 

In certain ways, being an audiophile is worse.   It means that you listen to the hall reverb, instead of listening to Pavarotti.

 

(2) It is very well known that if you put two identical TVs in a room, one that is professionally calibrated to make everything look realistic and accurate, and one that has color, contrast and sharpness turned up to 10, people will prefer the latter one.  This is not new or controversial, all TV sales guys know this and setup sets in Walmart, Best Buy, and so forth in accordance with this.

 

Similar things are in play in audio, just compare the sales - even to head-fi members - of "accurate" and "neutral" headphones to "fun" headphones...

 

(3) The idea that "quality matters to everyone" is very funny.  Certainly only someone living in Upper Middle Class World could think that.

 

There is probably a better example, but the plot of " Fight Club " touches on the ridiculousness of that idea (amongst many others).

 

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Sorry, but that's a horrible analogy. That's like saying if I skied on the highest quality ski's in the world, that my legs would explode

 

I am pretty sure I have heard some amateur trying to get down the hill on racing skis, saying "I felt like my legs would explode".

 

By the way, the thread running through your comments is " more expensive means quality ".  Every time I mention expensive professional gear, you replace the word "pro" with "quality"...


Edited by kstuart - 11/26/13 at 5:51pm
post #4161 of 7697

Can we talk about the Alpha Dogs now? 

post #4162 of 7697
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

(1)  "elitist"

 

I've said this several times in several ways, and you just cannot comprehend it.   It is NOT better to be an audiophile with a $30,000 system.

 

In certain ways, being an audiophile is worse.   It means that you listen to the hall reverb, instead of listening to Pavarotti.

 

(2) It is very well known that if you put two identical TVs in a room, one that is professionally calibrated to make everything look realistic and accurate, and one that has color, contrast and sharpness turned up to 10, people will prefer the latter one.  This is not new or controversial, all TV sales guys know this and setup sets in Walmart, Best Buy, and so forth in accordance with this.

 

Similar things are in play in audio, just compare the sales - even to head-fi members - of "accurate" and "neutral" headphones to "fun" headphones...

 

(3) The idea that "quality matters to everyone" is very funny.  Certainly only someone living in Upper Middle Class World could think that.

 

There is probably a better example, but the plot of " Fight Club " touches on the ridiculousness of that idea (amongst many others).

 

 

I am pretty sure I have heard some amateur trying to get down the hill on racing skis, saying "I felt like my legs would explode".

 

By the way, the thread running through your comments is " more expensive means quality ".  Every time I mention expensive professional gear, you replace the word "pro" with "quality"...

 

Where have I mentioned money? If all I cared about was the cost of headphones, there are many many more option above $600 I could be talking about. The entire reason Dan has created his lines, is so quality can be had for less money.

 

Your analogy was more along the lines of if I bought a high end TV at a high end electronics store, there would be no way for me to enjoy it as much as the TV I buy at Walmart, because I am not trained enough to understand it. That somehow the lower quality TV would provide me a better viewing experience.

 

That's just BS.

 

As for desiring quality, I didn't know that was a class based thing. I get that those in a lower price bracket can't obtain the same quality as those with means, but that's not the same as them not desiring it.

 

 

Anyway, this conversation is going no where, and has nothing to do with Alpha Dog headphones, so lets just drop it.

post #4163 of 7697

I like expensive headphones, TVs and skis. And I like money to buy them.

post #4164 of 7697
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Originally Posted by sunneebear View Post
 

I like expensive headphones, TVs and skis. And I like money to buy them.

and while I ski, I wear my expensive HPs as ear muffs.  :p

 

Guys, let's move on.  It's something that will have to be duked out over a few beers in person, not online.  I don't think you 2 are talking on the same frequency and about the same thing anymore.

post #4165 of 7697

Anyhow.........

 

 

So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

 

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

post #4166 of 7697
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Originally Posted by Lillee View Post
 

Anyhow.........

 

 

So who else is waiting for Alpha's? I really hate this part of the hobby, waiting.

 

Has anyone tried them on a Violectric V200?

Like you, I hate waiting so I haven't ordered yet.  I will wait until it's readily available in stock like the MD before.  Maybe, some will pop up used too by then.

post #4167 of 7697
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Like you, I hate waiting so I haven't ordered yet.  I will wait until it's readily available in stock like the MD before.  Maybe, some will pop up used too by then.

 

 

You are much stronger willed than I am, clearly

post #4168 of 7697
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Originally Posted by Lillee View Post
 

 

 

You are much stronger willed than I am, clearly

lol.  I am not too sure about that.  I am just lucky to have listened to the AD already.  I liked it quite a bit but for now my HE500 will help me with the wait.

post #4169 of 7697

It's interesting that in our modern consumer culture...

 

... one cannot recommend that a stranger buy the cheaper item...

 

... without being perceived as "condescending" and "elitist"...

post #4170 of 7697

Hey guys, this is getting really OT.  It'd be nice to not have the thread locked.  Just saying...  

 

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