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post #4141 of 6637
The only thing I remember about the Beyer T90 is that it had a pretty prominent treble presence that was quite tizzy and I didn't like it right off the bat. A local Head-Fier did some measurements with it and there indeed is a pretty large treble spike.

The Alpha Dog may sound dull coming from the T90 in that sense, as well as having a more impactful bass.
post #4142 of 6637
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 People who pay more than $300 for headphones are generally disappointed, because the differences are tiny subtleties that require training to hear.

 

Take a friend, who has the patience to really listen, to a store with a lot of headphones. Try not to coach them too much. You will be pleasantly surprised. I have taken friends to J&R and B&H to listen to headphones and have found that they can tell phones apart and have specific preferences across price ranges.

post #4143 of 6637
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Take a friend, who has the patience to really listen, to a store with a lot of headphones. Try not to coach them too much. You will be pleasantly surprised. I have taken friends to J&R and B&H to listen to headphones and have found that they can tell phones apart and have specific preferences across price ranges.

 

Gah! You get to walk into B&H whenever you like? I hate you.

post #4144 of 6637
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Take a friend, who has the patience to really listen, to a store with a lot of headphones. Try not to coach them too much. You will be pleasantly surprised. I have taken friends to J&R and B&H to listen to headphones and have found that they can tell phones apart and have specific preferences across price ranges.

 

Gah! You get to walk into B&H whenever you like? I hate you.

People live in NY just for that - or to have a great pastrami sandwich whenever you like, etc. etc.

 

That costs $$ and then you have crappy NY weather too.  Pluses and Minuses.

 

Back to Dogs - the big question is what music do you listen to ?


Edited by kstuart - 11/26/13 at 1:30pm
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People live in NY just for that - or to have a great pastrami sandwich whenever you like, etc. etc.

 

That costs $$ and then you have crappy NY weather too.  Pluses and Minuses.

 

Back to Dogs - the big question is what music do you listen to ?

 

I live in rural New Hampshire, so nothing that cool around here. I do own a plane, so I can fly myself down to NYC in just over an hour, take a crew car, and get visit B&H. I have gone down a few times, but it's a lot harder this time of year, with the weather.

 

back to music... Let's see, what have I been listening to this week... Lorde, Macklemore, Imaging Dragons, Dave Mathews, OneRepublic, Andrea Bocelli.

 

Just spent the last few hours listening to the Heritage album from Opeth. I think I will add that to my rotation.

 

So kind of all over the place.

post #4146 of 6637
Yeah, honestly I think the Mad Dog would be better suited for those artists. Imagine Dragons for sure would probably sound better with the more forgiving and bassier Mad Dog.
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=31707

Well, maybe Andrea Bocelli would be better with the Alpha Dog. That epicness!

Edited by miceblue - 11/26/13 at 1:30pm
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Yeah, honestly I think the Mad Dog would be better suited for those artists. Imagine Dragons for sure would probably sound better with the more forgiving and bassier Mad Dog.
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=31707

lol to this (from your link):

 

"Bad sound on a lot of these tracks, most of them have some sort of bad distortion or pumping sound all over them. It's too bad because this is a really great album."

 

The "bad distortion" I think is on purpose, so not because they were ripped poorly.

 

Anyway, I am not sure base is always my thing. I don't listen to classical really (I will listen to Andre Segovia, but I don't think that counts), but every other type of music I like.

 

Bluegrass, Jazz, pop, rock, country, rap, etc.

 

Oh, and I am a gamer. I will use these while I game, however just about any relatively good pair of headphones will work for that.

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[moved late edit to this separate post]

 

IF your music listening is not 30-40% acoustic music - classical, folk, jazz, then the Mad Dog is better for anyone who is not a musician or audio professional or audiophile.   And the Mad Dog can be upgraded to the Alpha Dog by paying the difference in price (see mrspeakers.com ) starting in January.   So, you might want to get the Mad Dog, listen to it with the STX, and then if you like, get an amp, and then maybe later a DAC, and then later you can always upgrade to the Alpha Dog.   (So you won't have to bother selling a used item, which seems to be what you are trying to avoid.)

 

BTW, I am assuming you are in this thread because isolation is of value to you.  If not there are many "open" headphones to consider...


Edited by kstuart - 11/26/13 at 1:39pm
post #4149 of 6637
Alpha Dog + Pan Am + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u163wC6mP2A WOW !!! I almost died redface.gif
post #4150 of 6637
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IF your music listening is not 30-40% acoustic music - classical, folk, jazz, then the Mad Dog is better for anyone who is not a musician or audio professional or audiophile.  

 

 

I kind of get musician and audio professional, but audiophile? really? I am 44 years old and have listened to music pretty much every day of my life. The better the sound quality, the more I appreciate it. At what point does one become an audiophile? What does one have to do to be a card carrying member? To use your earlier analogy about waxed ski's, you might not know why one ski seems better then another (and a pro would), but you would know one was better. I think anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment.

 

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BTW, I am assuming you are in this thread because isolation is of value to you.  If not there are many "open" headphones to consider...

 

Correct. My wife is always pretty close, and I don't want to disturb her while she is reading or watching TV. Also if I am in the other room and she is watching TV, I don't want to hear it. It's not loud enough to need noise canceling from the other room, but it's loud enough that I don't want open headphones. The size of the sound stage is not super critical to me.

post #4151 of 6637
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Yeah, honestly I think the Mad Dog would be better suited for those artists. Imagine Dragons for sure would probably sound better with the more forgiving and bassier Mad Dog.
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=31707
lol to this (from your link):

"Bad sound on a lot of these tracks, most of them have some sort of bad distortion or pumping sound all over them. It's too bad because this is a really great album."

The "bad distortion" I think is on purpose, so not because they were ripped poorly.

Anyway, I am not sure base is always my thing. I don't listen to classical really (I will listen to Andre Segovia, but I don't think that counts), but every other type of music I like.

Bluegrass, Jazz, pop, rock, country, rap, etc.

Oh, and I am a gamer. I will use these while I game, however just about any relatively good pair of headphones will work for that.
Yeah the point was that the user was surprised at how low the dynamic range was. The distortion may be a feature of the song and may have been added in on purpose, but it sounds like the material was clipped (i.e. the Loudness War effect).
post #4152 of 6637
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I kind of get musician and audio professional, but audiophile? really? I am 44 years old and have listened to music pretty much every day of my life. The better the sound quality, the more I appreciate it. At what point does one become an audiophile? What does one have to do to be a card carrying member? To use your earlier analogy about waxed ski's, you might not know why one ski seems better then another (and a pro would), but you would know one was better. I think anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment.

Correct. My wife is always pretty close, and I don't want to disturb her while she is reading or watching TV. Also if I am in the other room and she is watching TV, I don't want to hear it. It's not loud enough to need noise canceling from the other room, but it's loud enough that I don't want open headphones. The size of the sound stage is not super critical to me.

I've done quite a bit of recording/mixing and mastering and been involved in pro-audio/band/live sound engineering...then home theater as a hobby and now HPs but never consider or even attempt to call myself "audiophile".  I just know what I hear and do know when it's good or bad for my personal taste and objecive references.  Other than what's said, I just enjoy quality music.

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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post

 

IF your music listening is not 30-40% acoustic music - classical, folk, jazz, then the Mad Dog is better for anyone who is not a musician or audio professional or audiophile.  

 

 

I kind of get musician and audio professional, but audiophile? really? I am 44 years old and have listened to music pretty much every day of my life. The better the sound quality, the more I appreciate it. At what point does one become an audiophile? What does one have to do to be a card carrying member? To use your earlier analogy about waxed ski's, you might not know why one ski seems better then another (and a pro would), but you would know one was better. I think anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment.

Again, people take this as a status, and it is not - it is just an activity.

 

Generally, people these days are in the room with music all the time.   Stores have music, TV shows and movies have music.   People play music to relax.  All just fine.

 

Some people pay attention to the music, have favorite artists, follow those artists on tour around the country, etc.

 

The three types of people mentioned in the quote are those who pay attention to small details of the sound - how clear is the hall reverberation, is the sound of the fingers hitting the bass strings clear or dulled a little, how close does the tone of the trumpet sound to a real trumpet, etc.

 

Audiophiles do that by definition.   No good or bad, right or wrong associated with it.

 

Going back to the skis example, professionals pick through as many as a dozen pairs of the same model skis, waxed slightly differently - or even just slight production variations.   I know that I could not tell them apart.

 

So as far as "anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment" - I am trying to debunk that idea, and here is another example.  There is an episode of Top Gear UK (I think about a year ago), where they try to drive professional race cars.  The results are comical, despite the fact that all of them drive cards for a living (to review them).  In some cases, pro equipment could be used by anyone else (baseball comes to mind), but many times not.

 

Of course, salesmen always promote "anyone who appreciates music can benefit from quality equipment"...

post #4154 of 6637
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

[moved late edit to this separate post]

 

IF your music listening is not 30-40% acoustic music - classical, folk, jazz, then the Mad Dog is better for anyone who is not a musician or audio professional or audiophile.   And the Mad Dog can be upgraded to the Alpha Dog by paying the difference in price (see mrspeakers.com ) starting in January.   So, you might want to get the Mad Dog, listen to it with the STX, and then if you like, get an amp, and then maybe later a DAC, and then later you can always upgrade to the Alpha Dog.   (So you won't have to bother selling a used item, which seems to be what you are trying to avoid.)

 

BTW, I am assuming you are in this thread because isolation is of value to you.  If not there are many "open" headphones to consider...

 

Is this a joke?

post #4155 of 6637
My mobile listening rig consists of mostly electronic, including chiptune biggrin.gif, and pop music. I thoroughly enjoyed the Alpha Dog with such music. I am also not even close to being "a musician or audio professional or audiophile."
Edited by miceblue - 11/26/13 at 3:55pm
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