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post #3916 of 7822
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post

There will be many Alpha Dogs around it seems... Better to wait until next year when they start hitting the for sale forum here in significant numbers....
Lol I wish, but I don't see that happening,
But who knows.. frown.giftongue.gifsmily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post

Btw - is there any review against HE-500? Heard the Hifimans several days ago and despite their brilliant FR and more forgiving nature, they quite failed to perform against my HD800.
After hearing them both at NY meet, I (personally speaking of course) would not consider the Alpha at the level of an he-500 a closed equivalent.. Instead actually higher (!) "more".. like an he-6 closed equivalent..(!)
Of course it is subjective as I am not talking about or considering the open nature of the cans.
I am just referring to the musical quality level of the Alpha..
Another note is that it was my limited listening impression and not optimal as it was at the NY meet, so you should take this as a close suggestion but not fact(!)..
Then again, it remains as MY fact. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by Maxx134 - 11/14/13 at 8:59am
post #3917 of 7822
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post


Lol I wish, but I don't see that happening,
But who knows.. frown.giftongue.gifsmily_headphones1.gif
After hearing them both at NY meet, I (personally speaking of course) would not consider the Alpha at the level of an he-500 a closed equivalent.. Instead actually higher (!) "more".. like an he-6 closed equivalent..(!)
Of course it is subjective as I am not talking about or considering the open nature of the cans.
I am just referring to the musical quality level of the Alpha..

Our ears and preferences are truly quite subjective.  So personally speaking also, I respectfully disagree with your statement, especially about the musical quality aspect.  To my ear and taste, HE500 even edges HD800 when it comes to musicality for more genres.  I have been comparing HD800 and HE500 for close to 2 weeks now.  I am not putting HD800 down in anyway cuz it is still indeed the better HPs overall but HE500 has its own strengths that stack up very well against flagships.


Edited by koiloco - 11/14/13 at 9:03am
post #3918 of 7822
Yes and the funny thing is when I herd them (Alpha & Hifi) at the other end of the room, (near the back sorry I forget who's setup), the opposite was true, the Apha did not sound as large, so I would have agreed with you otherwise.
So I very much believe the setup played a very big role..
Edited by Maxx134 - 11/14/13 at 9:05am
post #3919 of 7822
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

There will be many Alpha Dogs around it seems... Better to wait until next year when they start hitting the for sale forum here in significant numbers. I am thinking about getting one for myself that way as well but still not sure whether I really need a closed back headphone, or not.

 

Btw - is there any review against HE-500? Heard the Hifimans several days ago and despite their brilliant FR and more forgiving nature, they quite failed to perform against my HD800.

"failed to perform against the HD800" is a half true, half false statement, IMO.  If you haven't listened to HE500 on an amp that brings out the best of it(just like HD800), it's difficult to judge and understand.  I have owned HE500 for a long time and HD800 is on my list to purchase next.  I am lucky enough to have a friend that loaned me his HD800 for the last 2 weeks to find out for myself and decide.  I do have the amps to get the best possible SQ(within my budget) from these 2 HPs so I believe that my impression/comparison are pretty safe and true to myself at the least.  Like you all, I am very eager to find reason and justification to order myself the HD800.  I do love the HD800 SQ I've been hearing the last 2 weeks from my Woo WA22 but HE500 has its own very unique strengths that are very favorably compared to HD800 and other flagships.  Of course, you already know that I am not the only one who is saying this about the HE500.

 

Back to the AD, I was ready to order the MD to use at the office but at the recent CA meet, I found out and listened to the AD.   So for now, that decision is on hold cuz of the HD800 being thrown into the mix.  :p  Do I think the AD is great for $600?  Absolutely yes but I am also clear about how I would rank it based on my personal taste/preference in the HD800, HE500, AD mix.


Edited by koiloco - 11/14/13 at 9:18am
post #3920 of 7822
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Yes and the funny thing is when I herd them (Alpha & Hifi) at the other end of the room, (near the back sorry I forget who's setup), the opposite was true, the Apha did not sound as large, so I would have agreed with you otherwise.
So I very much believe the setup played a very big role..


We agree to disagree.  That's communication at its best.:beerchug:

 

For me, not because I own the HE500 and think/hear that way when comparing it to other HPs.  If to my ears, the AD gives me what I am after, the HE500 will be on ebay or here for sales within minutes.  I am going through the same process trying to decide my purchase of the HD800.

Just like the HE500, the AD does and will stack up very well against other HPs and even flagships.  This much I can say based on my experience with the AD.  That is a huge accomplishment by Dan for a pair of HPs that cost $600.

post #3921 of 7822
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


We agree to disagree.  That's communication at its best.beerchug.gif

For me, not because I own the HE500 and think/hear that way when comparing it to other HPs.  If to my ears, the AD gives me what I am after, the HE500 will be on ebay or here for sales within minutes.  I am going through the same process trying to decide my purchase of the HD800.
Just like the HE500, the AD does and will stack up very well against other HPs and even flagships.  This much I can say based on my experience with the AD.  That is a huge accomplishment by Dan for a pair of HPs that cost $600.
Tbh, just because of the closed factor alone, it cannot compete with flagships.
post #3922 of 7822
Maybe compete with other closed cans like the new fostex600 , yet those are going for a different signature..
post #3923 of 7822
There is this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/524510/he-6-vs-lcd-2-comparison-thread

I only have AD and I don't know how LCD-2 or HE-6 sounds. I was wondering how AD compares to them. Anyone?
post #3924 of 7822
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Tbh, just because of the closed factor alone, it cannot compete with flagships.

Not necessarily, the Sony MDR-R10 disproves that, but it is true more often than not.

post #3925 of 7822
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Originally Posted by koolas View Post

There is this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/524510/he-6-vs-lcd-2-comparison-thread

I only have AD and I don't know how LCD-2 or HE-6 sounds. I was wondering how AD compares to them. Anyone?

 

In fairness, that thread is three years old and has older revisions of the lcd2. Not sure how current the information is. 

post #3926 of 7822
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

In fairness, that thread is three years old and has older revisions of the lcd2. Not sure how current the information is. 

Not to mention not many people knew about HE6's true scaling potential back then either.

post #3927 of 7822

^^ And many still don't TBH. I personally was let down after owning the he-4 until I finally tried it on a speaker amp. :eek:

post #3928 of 7822
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

There will be many Alpha Dogs around it seems... Better to wait until next year when they start hitting the for sale forum here in significant numbers. I am thinking about getting one for myself that way as well but still not sure whether I really need a closed back headphone, or not.

 

Btw - is there any review against HE-500? Heard the Hifimans several days ago and despite their brilliant FR and more forgiving nature, they quite failed to perform against my HD800.

I did compare the Apha Dog and HE 500 at the NY meet (I'm Ned, BTW, mentioned in the NY meet thread), an easy comparison since the Mr. Speakers and HiFiman tables were right next to each other.  OTOH, listening in a meet is less that ideal because of the noise level, which I think allows a closed headphone to show better.  That said, for me, I felt the Alpha Dog was more enjoyable than the HE 500, listening to the same songs through the same portable rig to eliminate the effect of different sources and amps on the comparison (I used my portable rig consisting of an iPod Classic 160gb using ALAC, CLAS -db dac, and ALO Rx MK3 B+ amp.) 

 

In my brief listening, I felt the Alpha Dogs were more dynamic, faster and more balanced, with more "presence" to the music.  When I first gave them a listen, I immediately liked them more than the HE500, and said so to Dan Clark. I then asked him not to mention it to the guy at the HiFiman table, who was a very nice and helpful person and who spent some time with me with the HE500.  

 

But, I will say that was after a very brief listen covering just a portion of two songs.  What the result would be in a quiet environment over a more extended listening session is hard to say.

 

Immediately after I bought the Alpha Dogs and am now awaiting delivery (only 6 more weeks!)

post #3929 of 7822

It will be worth the wait. They are incredible bargains at their price point. But...you already know this. :atsmile:

 

Congrats...

post #3930 of 7822

Thank you very much to all for opinions... Could someone tell me something about bass on both? Which ones is tighter, better defined (on normal quality headphone amplifier, not going to use speaker or vintage amps)?

 

I liked the bass of HE-400 very much (very LCD-2-like) while HE-500's bass was rather wooly (with both types of pads)... Very enjoyable but not reference enough. HD800 offered significantly tighter and a bit more textured bass in comparison to the HE-500.

 

Basically, I found the HE-500 to be extremely good FR-wise... Even comfort was nice, much better than with Audezes (less clamp since the headband is wider). But the technical level of performance just couldnt match HD800 enough to justify buying the Hifimans.

 

Do the Alpha Dogs clamp much? (weight is alright but I hate clamping force - HD600, HD650, LCD-2 or even Q701/K712 Pro clamped too much to my liking)

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