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post #3706 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

So. First impressions from the alpha dog.
Sounds wide soundstage for a closed back, but not open sounding in any way. Treble sounds "dull" as some others might state as well. Its bass might not be considered ideal for all genres, as it lacks the impact that I personally like from the he-500. The midrange sounds good and linear, but might have an overall "off" timbre IMO. It just doesn't live up to the hype from my experience.

 

Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.

post #3707 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
 

 

Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.


I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.

post #3708 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
 

 

Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.


I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.

Hehe, I'm curious to hear those HE-500s off of speaker taps.. :veryevil:

post #3709 of 7948

I'm not sure about the timbre being off but if one likes a brighter signature then it may seem off.  To me piano sounds accurate on the AD but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the sound of piano on say the HE-500.  I like the double bass more so on the HE-500 but it's not necessarily more accurate in tonal quality.  Guitar sounds pretty accurate on these ADs.  Listening to Pierre Bensusan on guitar right now and I'm loving it.  The HE-500 has more bite but that edge can be a bit much at times.  In the end, going from the Hifiman driver to the Fostex driver is quite a leap.  The AD is a more laid back/smoother across the frequency range type of headphone than the HE-500 which may not work for everyone.  I do feel microdetails are better with the Hifiman driver.            

 

As with anything, give the AD some time before giving up on it.  When I switched from the LCD-2 to the HE-500 it took quite some time to appreciate the HE-500.  When I first heard the AD it was tough to identify its advantages over my own modded T50RP but I've grown to appreciate the ADs qualities but recognize it's not necessarily going to be comparable to an open planar headphone like the HE-500.  Two different beasts in my mind.       

 

With all this talk of the HE-500 I'm thinking it will complement my AD very well :D.  And here I thought I was going to try some open dynamic headphones.    

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.


Edited by WNBC - 11/3/13 at 10:50pm
post #3710 of 7948

Indeed, I agree with you WNBC.

 

Hopefully I get time to do a quick video tomorrow before boxing these up and sending them to the next lucky person on Tuesday.

 

Dan - Is there any way I can reserve a spot in the upgrade program, some sort of page I need to put my email in or something of that sort? This demo has pretty much all but convinced me I want it. Starving student-ness be damned.

post #3711 of 7948

^ Yeah, everything you said there were things that I was considering were a part of why I interpreted the sound to be bad. MrSpeakers PM'd me and brought up the idea that I also might've not got a good seal with my glasses and the amping might've not been ideal. I can definitely say that I felt too much was off and that I would definitely not be surprised if SOMETHING was wrong in this situation that caused me to perceive the sound in a bad way.

 

@mechgamer123

Oh man, you have no idea how much livelier it gets with the increased dynamics, tigher and more responsive bass, and smoother midrange/treble extension. It just becomes all around better with that true ortho sound that you would expect. It may sound like hype, but when you own the headphone for a long time, you will realize the improvement even more and more.

post #3712 of 7948
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Originally Posted by john57 View Post
 

How much does the  V-Moda Vamp usually cost about $225? What about the V-Moda Vamp Verza? God forbid it cost $600 for that tiny little thing? My new Emotiva Mini cost about $169. It is the smallest 2 channel amp that Emotiva sells but it is still 15” depth and weighs about 11 1/2Lbs. Even the DAC cost about $200 for a total of $369 for the DAC/AMP combination and I have all the power needed for full scale classical music that I heard for many years in concert unamplified.  Just trying to show a user with a different perspective.

You will do just fine. :smile:

 

http://www.amazon.com/SA-50-TDA7492-Digital-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B008XTDBYW

 

This little/tiny metalbox is sitting on my sofa armrest. Its barely warm to the touch after 3 hours..

70bucks...drives the big bro to He-500 effortlessly on speakertaps.  This should muster the fostex diaphragm, i guess. 

(rated at 50w for speakers, not sure how its translated over cans..hehe. u guys do the maths.)

post #3713 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post



http://www.amazon.com/SA-50-TDA7492-Digital-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B008XTDBYW

This little/tiny metalbox is sitting on my sofa armrest. Its barely warm to the touch after 3 hours..
70bucks...drives the big bro to He-500 effortlessly on speakertaps.  This should muster the fostex diaphragm, i guess. 
(rated at 50w for speakers, not sure how its translated over cans..hehe. u guys do the maths.)
Hmm I wonder how this sounds compared to the highly praised emotiva
post #3714 of 7948

Just keep in mind that the amp above uses BTL output which best used with balanced headphones. The Emotiva has the single ended or common ground and can be used for singled ended headphones without problems. Otherwise it can work with the balanced planner headphones and much smaller that the Emotiva amp.

 

 

Edited by john57 - 11/4/13 at 12:35am
post #3715 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view.

The only contrarian opinion on head-fi is that something might be better than the HE-500 in some way...

post #3716 of 7948
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

Indeed, I agree with you WNBC.

 

Hopefully I get time to do a quick video tomorrow before boxing these up and sending them to the next lucky person on Tuesday.

 

Dan - Is there any way I can reserve a spot in the upgrade program, some sort of page I need to put my email in or something of that sort? This demo has pretty much all but convinced me I want it. Starving student-ness be damned.


Don't do the upgrade program. The wait is too long. I'm literally a week or so away from saying to hell with my already shrinking savings account and dropping the full $600. If I happen to like them as much as I think I will, I'll be able to sell my 3.2s afterward and recuperate some of that money. It'll be almost like going through the upgrade program except I'll get the headphones a lot faster.

post #3717 of 7948
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

The only contrarian opinion on head-fi is that something might be better than the HE-500 in some way...

The Stax 009?

<---me

post #3718 of 7948
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

 

http://www.amazon.com/SA-50-TDA7492-Digital-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B008XTDBYW

 

This little/tiny metalbox is sitting on my sofa armrest. Its barely warm to the touch after 3 hours..

70bucks...drives the big bro to He-500 effortlessly on speakertaps.  This should muster the fostex diaphragm, i guess. 

(rated at 50w for speakers, not sure how its translated over cans..hehe. u guys do the maths.)

it also has a small footprint. I wonder how it compares to the emotiva as well. AT 70 bucks I wouldn't mind taking a shot at it. 50w is wayyyy over the top of what is necessary though for the AD. I wonder if it has a loud hiss on the he-500 with it. There is no should or guessing if that could power the Fostex.

 

How does it sound with it? and what class amp is it? class T?


Edited by grizzlybeast - 11/4/13 at 12:20pm
post #3719 of 7948

That would look great with a pair of AD's plugged into it.

post #3720 of 7948
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

 

How does it sound with it? and what class amp is it? class T?

Common mistake it is a Class D. The links that was in my pervious thread gives the details.


Edited by john57 - 11/4/13 at 5:21pm
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