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post #3691 of 8752

Still no he-500 vs AD full comparison.... After all of this time!!!!

 

So many people saying it is better than the he-500 and now the same birds aren't chirping. Not too many full reviews either.

post #3692 of 8752

Couldn't reproduce it.  Stock cable running perfectly now.  

 

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If you are experiencing this with the stock cable let me know, we can easily replace it.  This should *never* happen.

post #3693 of 8752

The Audio Club of UW gave the Alpha Dog a good run-through today against a lot of different headphones. 

The Alpha Dogs and ATH-W3000ANV are two of the most beautiful headphones I've ever seen:

 

And we were able to listen to a modified HE-500 with jergpad pleathers (sort of) and the grills both in place with the cloth removed and with the grills completely off.

 

I can say I thought the Alpha Dog's treble was a bit smoother but also a bit more shelved. The HE-500s still had a bit of harshness that wasn't present on the Alphas.

The midrange was a bit more full on the Alpha Dog by a tad, and again sounded a bit smoother.

The bass on the Alpha Dog was definitely more contained than the HE-500. The Alpha is more of a subtle rumble, while the HE-500 has more of the slam, which I think I prefer.

The soundstage is bigger on the HE-500, no question.

 

I would struggle to say which one is better, but I think it would be like comparing apples to oranges since it's closed back versus open back. I would honestly buy the Alpha Dog, but that's because I want a good closed back headphone that I can use when using open backs wouldn't be ideal. But, I also liked the sound of the HE-500 a lot. Lots more than the HE-400 I had earlier this year.


Edited by mechgamer123 - 11/3/13 at 8:37pm
post #3694 of 8752
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

Still no he-500 vs AD full comparison.... After all of this time!!!!

 

So many people saying it is better than the he-500 and now the same birds aren't chirping. Not too many full reviews either.


I think I addressed this, but to summarize, the sort of people who - on impulse - order a new headphone as soon as it is released, is not necessarily the same sort of person who does full, methodical reviews.

 

It's also worth noting that - in general - most people are "lurkers", and so while many people who ordered the Alpha Dogs early, knew about it because they read head-fi, they might not be the sort of person who posts at all...


Edited by kstuart - 11/3/13 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

Still no he-500 vs AD full comparison.... After all of this time!!!!

 

So many people saying it is better than the he-500 and now the same birds aren't chirping. Not too many full reviews either.

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

So. First impressions from the alpha dog.
Sounds wide soundstage for a closed back, but not open sounding in any way. Treble sounds "dull" as some others might state as well. Its bass might not be considered ideal for all genres, as it lacks the impact that I personally like from the he-500. The midrange sounds good and linear, but might have an overall "off" timbre IMO. It just doesn't live up to the hype from my experience.

 

At least to my ears, the Alpha Dog has more body in the midrange as a whole, being somewhat thick, similar to what I recall from the LCD-2. The bass on the Alpha Dog also seemed a bit looser compared to the HE-500 to me, but the Alpha Dog had more rumble compared to the HE-500's punch. The treble of the HE-500 was also more present compared to the Alpha Dog but also has a peak that made cymbals sound tizzy. As a whole, the Alpha Dog sounds smoother than the HE-500, but the HE-500 sounds more detailed to me, bringing out more subtle things from music.

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 smooth Sound reproduction having no irritating qualities; free from HF peaks, easy and relaxing to listen to. Effortless. Not necessarily a positive system attribute if accompanied by a slow, uninvolving character.

 

As for soundstage, the Alpha Dog's soundstage was pretty spacious, I think deeper than wide compared to the more rounded-sounding HE-500 and the instrument separation wasn't as good. Imaging for both headphones was good, but the more natural-sounding soundstage of the HE-500 was more enjoyable to listen to for that aspect.

 

As for overall comfort, the HE-500 felt lighter on my head, but the seal on both the velour and leather pads wasn't nearly as good as with the Alpha Dog. The HE-500's clamping force was also less than that of the Alpha Dog, so I tended to be more cautious about moving around with the HE-500 (ignoring the fact that the HE-500 had the grills taken off).

post #3696 of 8752

I don't have the HE-500 anymore so I couldn't do a proper review.  Plus it was a different DAC/amp configuration back when I had the HE-500.  However, if I am to rely on memory just for a couple statements then that's fine.  Even though the HE-500 was an open headphone I don't feel the AD is that far off from the HE-500 in regards to soundstage.  Imaging and instrument separation goes to the AD.  I always felt the HE-500s biggest weaknesses were imaging and soundstage depth.  The HE-500's treble is more prominent and sparkly than the AD.  Impact and slam goes to the HE-500.  The speed of the HE-500 driver may be better suited for faster genres of music.  I liked the HE-500 a lot but it can be fatiguing after a while.  The presentation is less smooth than the AD.  When choosing the AD I would not consider it as competition for the HE-500.  I picked the AD as an alternative to my previous TH-600 which I enjoyed but missed the palpable mids of planars.  I primarily use planars with tube amps and that probably helps bring some added warmth and body to the AD.  I will be holding onto my ADs for quite some time.  Whether or not I add another open headphone is up for grabs.          

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

Still no he-500 vs AD full comparison.... After all of this time!!!!

 

So many people saying it is better than the he-500 and now the same birds aren't chirping. Not too many full reviews either.

post #3697 of 8752
Good point on the automotive paint. Wonder how much it'd cost, anyone care to get a quote? smily_headphones1.gif bumps up the overall cost thoigh, maybe by a fair bit.
I don't see why mrspeakers couldn't set up a couple more paint options on the website & in the production line though..down the track a bit of course.
post #3698 of 8752
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Pretty accurate
post #3699 of 8752

Keep in mind that the above impressions by Miceblue and Mechgamer are off of the HE-500 on the O2, something that's considered not amped fully compared to speaker taps on something such as the Emotiva. Also, I absolutely loved those AudioTechnicas for a closed back headphone. That, the STAX and the AKG were my favorites, along with my HE-500 of course.


Edited by Nimzerz - 11/3/13 at 10:00pm
post #3700 of 8752
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

So. First impressions from the alpha dog.
Sounds wide soundstage for a closed back, but not open sounding in any way. Treble sounds "dull" as some others might state as well. Its bass might not be considered ideal for all genres, as it lacks the impact that I personally like from the he-500. The midrange sounds good and linear, but might have an overall "off" timbre IMO. It just doesn't live up to the hype from my experience.

 

Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.

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Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.


I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.

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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
 

 

Thanks for daring a "contrarian" opinion; it's always good to read several points of view. Though I must admit I'm a little surprised at the timbre sounding off, since a realistic timbre is the strength of the unmodded T50RP, IMO.


I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.

Hehe, I'm curious to hear those HE-500s off of speaker taps.. :veryevil:

post #3703 of 8752

I'm not sure about the timbre being off but if one likes a brighter signature then it may seem off.  To me piano sounds accurate on the AD but that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the sound of piano on say the HE-500.  I like the double bass more so on the HE-500 but it's not necessarily more accurate in tonal quality.  Guitar sounds pretty accurate on these ADs.  Listening to Pierre Bensusan on guitar right now and I'm loving it.  The HE-500 has more bite but that edge can be a bit much at times.  In the end, going from the Hifiman driver to the Fostex driver is quite a leap.  The AD is a more laid back/smoother across the frequency range type of headphone than the HE-500 which may not work for everyone.  I do feel microdetails are better with the Hifiman driver.            

 

As with anything, give the AD some time before giving up on it.  When I switched from the LCD-2 to the HE-500 it took quite some time to appreciate the HE-500.  When I first heard the AD it was tough to identify its advantages over my own modded T50RP but I've grown to appreciate the ADs qualities but recognize it's not necessarily going to be comparable to an open planar headphone like the HE-500.  Two different beasts in my mind.       

 

With all this talk of the HE-500 I'm thinking it will complement my AD very well :D.  And here I thought I was going to try some open dynamic headphones.    

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

I'm not quite sure what it was. It just didn't sound "right" to me. It's possible that because I came from the HE-500 It's just a bit jarring, or maybe my assumption is right about the timbre; I really do not know. The HE-500 definitely does have a LUSH sounding midrange to me compared to the Alpha Dog, which to me seemed quite thin maybe? Like I said, I'm unsure what it was, I just know that I didn't like it. Also, when comparing the Alpha Dog to the HE-500 on the song Under the Knife by Rise Against, the layering was much worse when comparing them both from an UNAMPED source. The HE-500 definitely wins in soundstage/layering/separation when they're both unamped. And I believe they would also win when the HE-500 is put on the Emotiva/Speaker Taps vs the Alpha Dog on any other amp.


Edited by WNBC - 11/3/13 at 10:50pm
post #3704 of 8752

Indeed, I agree with you WNBC.

 

Hopefully I get time to do a quick video tomorrow before boxing these up and sending them to the next lucky person on Tuesday.

 

Dan - Is there any way I can reserve a spot in the upgrade program, some sort of page I need to put my email in or something of that sort? This demo has pretty much all but convinced me I want it. Starving student-ness be damned.

post #3705 of 8752

^ Yeah, everything you said there were things that I was considering were a part of why I interpreted the sound to be bad. MrSpeakers PM'd me and brought up the idea that I also might've not got a good seal with my glasses and the amping might've not been ideal. I can definitely say that I felt too much was off and that I would definitely not be surprised if SOMETHING was wrong in this situation that caused me to perceive the sound in a bad way.

 

@mechgamer123

Oh man, you have no idea how much livelier it gets with the increased dynamics, tigher and more responsive bass, and smoother midrange/treble extension. It just becomes all around better with that true ortho sound that you would expect. It may sound like hype, but when you own the headphone for a long time, you will realize the improvement even more and more.

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