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post #3436 of 7990
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post

Thanks but I am really looking for something more reliable and unbiased...
Good luck with that...
post #3437 of 7990
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Good luck with that...

 

Thanks.

post #3438 of 7990
Yeah, kind of impolite, sorry about that. More "unbiased" May surface. More reliable? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Tyll, Purrin and Dan could set their measurement setups up right next to each other, hand the same headphone off from one to the other after making their best measurements, and get 3 significantly different results.

That's my long winded opinion that lead to my glib and impolite post. Don't get me wrong, I like colored graphs, I just can't hear them.

If any single measurement rig were to measure headphones I know well, then measure something new, that might be more informative. That said, when reviewing graphs and then listening, I still don't always hear what I see.
post #3439 of 7990
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Yeah, kind of impolite, sorry about that. More "unbiased" May surface. More reliable? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Tyll, Purrin and Dan could set their measurement setups up right next to each other, hand the same headphone off from one to the other after making their best measurements, and get 3 significantly different results.

That's my long winded opinion that lead to my glib and impolite post. Don't get me wrong, I like colored graphs, I just can't hear them.

If any single measurement rig were to measure headphones I know well, then measure something new, that might be more informative. That said, when reviewing graphs and then listening, I still don't always hear what I see.

 

I just need changstar, headroom or innerfidelity to measure them... Then, I can compare their FR graph with many other headphones I have heard and find out whether I should be interested in Alpha Dog, or not. End of story. :L3000: 

post #3440 of 7990
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post
Don't get me wrong, I like colored graphs, I just can't hear them.

 

Well said.

post #3441 of 7990
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post

I just need changstar, headroom or innerfidelity to measure them... Then, I can compare their FR graph with many other headphones I have heard and find out whether I should be interested in Alpha Dog, or not. End of story. L3000.gif  
One last post on the subject, the ill back off, I promise. I understand what you are after. I am an engineer, and typically look for the same type of thing you hope to find in the FR graphs. I've found that with headphones, FR graphs miss a whole bunch of the story for me. I'm generally an objectivist, and yet whether or not I like a headphone is still very subjective, regardless of FR plots. I'll still study any plots that come out, though. I just won't base a purchase decision on them.

Ok, backing off now...
post #3442 of 7990
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One last post on the subject, the ill back off, I promise. I understand what you are after. I am an engineer, and typically look for the same type of thing you hope to find in the FR graphs. I've found that with headphones, FR graphs miss a whole bunch of the story for me. I'm generally an objectivist, and yet whether or not I like a headphone is still very subjective, regardless of FR plots. I'll still study any plots that come out, though. I just won't base a purchase decision on them.

Ok, backing off now...

 

 

 

That's why these measurement sites also have square wave responses, total harmonic distortions, impulse responses, impedance measurements, cumulative spectral decay plots, etc etc.

 

You point about FR being a very incomplete picture of how headphones sound is valid, but it is countered by the fact that the measurement guys know it too and are trying hard to give more perspectives via all this plethora of other methods.

post #3443 of 7990
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post


One last post on the subject, the ill back off, I promise. I understand what you are after. I am an engineer, and typically look for the same type of thing you hope to find in the FR graphs. I've found that with headphones, FR graphs miss a whole bunch of the story for me. I'm generally an objectivist, and yet whether or not I like a headphone is still very subjective, regardless of FR plots. I'll still study any plots that come out, though. I just won't base a purchase decision on them.

Ok, backing off now...

 

FR graph comparison with headphones I am well aware of is essential for me... I can easily find out what headphones could possibly satisfy me, and which definitely not. That's all - I am not saying that FR graph tells the whole story or that I could evaluate the whole headphone based on graphs :-)

 

An example - Just looking at the FR graph of TH900 or many Audio-technica headphones tells me that I wouldnt like them. So no need to bother with. That's all.


Edited by emertxe - 10/27/13 at 11:12am
post #3444 of 7990
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FR graph comparison with headphones I am well aware of is essential for me... I can easily find out what headphones could possibly satisfy me, and which definitely not. That's all - I am not saying that FR graph tells the whole story or that I could evaluate the whole headphone based on graphs :-)

An example - Just looking at the FR graph of TH900 or many Audio-technica headphones tells me that I wouldnt like them. So no need to bother with. That's all.
I hear you, but I still think it's completely possible that you could then later hear the TH900 and find out you actually do like it.
post #3445 of 7990

I heard those Alpha Dogs are pretty good.

post #3446 of 7990
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I hear you, but I still think it's completely possible that you could then later hear the TH900 and find out you actually do like it.

 

I dislike D7000.

post #3447 of 7990
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I heard those Alpha Dogs are pretty good.
Thanks for bringing us back! For many of us, they are about as good a closed phone as one can get.
post #3448 of 7990
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I heard those Alpha Dogs are pretty good.

they really are.  But this is the FR, HD800, Abyss thread- isn't it?  :devil_face:

post #3449 of 7990
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they really are.  But this is the FR, HD800, Abyss thread- isn't it?  devil_face.gif

That's the other thread. This is the Emotiva Mini-X thread.
post #3450 of 7990
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I never tried the adjustment as I liked it just as it was stock. Loved it in fact.

 

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Can anyone share their experiences/sonic changes adjusting the bass on the Alpha Dogs?

 

Yep I tried it and followed Dan's instructions as well in order to perform them correctly and get back to "standard tuning".

I have to say, I did NOT like it.

It seems to adjust the mid-bass quite a bit (not sub-bass) and I felt the mids being a bit muddied as well. 

Listened to about 4 hours straight with tracks I know by heart or that I play on the guitar, etc. etc. and, well, went back to original.

Still, the added "weight" to the mid-bass didn't come as "slam" or "impact", it was just that, weight... as in coloring the sound with a sucky EQ app (I don't like EQ'ing either so...)

 

Love the natural tone and response at it's default setting, and if I really want bass, I'll just switch headphones! ;-)

 

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I just need changstar, headroom or innerfidelity to measure them... Then, I can compare their FR graph with many other headphones I have heard and find out whether I should be interested in Alpha Dog, or not. End of story. :L3000: 

 

Well, if that's what works for you, then wait until Tyll or purrin have their measurements on site.

I have to tell you though that I've tried dozens of headphones with similar measurements (FR, square wave, etc. -- i.e. look at the graphs of the D600, M100, Ultrasone Signature Pro, Yamaha Pro 500, M50s, etc. etc.) and to me they have their own special/specific characteristic that don't make them sound the same...

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DenonAHD600.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioTechnicaATHM50B2012.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/VModaM100.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/YamahaPro500.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/UltrasoneSignaturePro.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserMomentum.pdf

 

but like I said, if that's what works, then it is what it is! ;-)

 

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they really are.  But this is the FR, HD800, Abyss thread- isn't it?  :devil_face:

 

:darthsmile:

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