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post #3151 of 9033
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^ well in that case d2k bass absolutely destroys shure 1840 bass:veryevil:

 

What bass? The 1840 doesn't have any!

post #3152 of 9033

I'm going to get it over with before someone else can ask

 

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WHAT ABOUT OPEN ALPHA DOGS?!?!?!!111ONE  HD600 KILLER

 

Ok.  The thought has been excised.

post #3153 of 9033
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Any comment that says something like "BLACK AND WHITE".... "NIGHT AND DAY".... "DESTROYS" etc. Should result in an instant BAN lol.

 

 

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What bass? The 1840 doesn't have any!

just causing trouble cause I like it when someone says "absolutely destroys" if the person saying it percieves them as opposites.

post #3154 of 9033
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What bass? The 1840 doesn't have any!

LOL

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just causing trouble cause I like it when someone says "absolutely destroys" if the person saying it percieves them as opposites.

 

Ok then your allowed to say absolutely destroys because your right that is quite good

post #3156 of 9033
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Yes, I understand that. I know you can see the driver speed from impulse resopnse and CSDs and such, but I haven't really heard that much of a difference between "fast" and "slow" drivers. I haven't directly compared something like the HD650 to orthos or stats. I do however have electrostats which are supposed to be "faster" than the Mad Dogs in theory, but again I can't really hear the difference in speed.

 

Between the electrostats and Mad dogs it is probably not as noticable (not tried) because they are both fast...

 

But if you compare some slow sounding headphones such as the HD650 to the electrostats or Mag Dogs with fast music such as metal or EDM it should be pretty obvious.

Ah, that might be why. The fastest metal I have is Metallica, and I don't listen to a ton of EDM.

I'll give some of them a shot the next time I get to hear a dynamic driver headphone. Probably won't have access to the HD6X0 series for quite some time though...

I also do find the Stax to sound more "clear" and "effortless" I guess, but I always associated that with the dip in the 3-4k area and the slight lack of sub bass.

post #3157 of 9033
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The fastest metal I have is Metallica, and I don't listen to a ton of EDM.

Well, it's a bunch of bunk to say a certain pair of headphones in this price range won't suitably play fast music like metal or fast electronica. I listen to extremely fast metal (Obscura, Ulcerate, Spawn Of Possession, etc), and the HD600 sound great with it. I also listen to fairly fast psytrance at about 180bpm, and they do well there too. I mean, the Fostex are somewhat cleaner sounding, but to say HD650 or HD600 are only good for relaxed music... should result in an automatic ban!  :D

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Well, it's a bunch of bunk to say a certain pair of headphones in this price range won't suitably play fast music like metal or fast electronica. I listen to extremely fast metal (Obscura, Ulcerate, Spawn Of Possession, etc), and the HD600 sound great with it. I also listen to fairly fast psytrance at about 180bpm, and they do well there too. I mean, the Fostex are somewhat cleaner sounding, but to say HD650 or HD600 are only good for relaxed music... should result in an automatic ban!  :D

 

Hmmmm really though lets be honest here.... The HD600 are not good for fast electronic music, they are alright for metal but I think it is a bit misleading to say that they sound good with 180bpm EDM type of music because you can get far better headphones for those genres... The HD600/600 are good headphones.... just they really are not suited to those types of music, especially EDM. Anyway this has nothing to do with the Alpha dogs so I will stop talking about it now :)

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There is a problem with saying that some headphones aren't good with fast-tempo music in general, because even a single guitar or classical music can be extremely quickly paced, but well-represented on ultra-warm headphones like the HD650.

 

I tend to distinguish my genre distinctions when it comes to equipment by choosing to point out the extent of the layering in the music. When most people claim that a certain headphone (like the TMA-1 or HD600) don't go well with elecronic music or heavy rock, it's usually because the sound turns to mush due to the over-warm sound signature of those headphones. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the literal speed of the music, but by all the layers of production present.

 

A super-warm headphone won't do very well with Infected Mushroom, but goes great with Moby. They're both electronic musicians, but the former's music has much more going on in it than the latter. Such a headphone won't do well with Suicide Machines, but will love La Dispute. Again, the latter has a more stripped-down sound than the former. We tend to mention genres instead of layering because it's easy to generalize. We tend to think that electronica and metal are always super-loud and full of layers.

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Can we please get back on topic.  We have a whole 'sound science' forum for this discussion.

 

After my first week with the 5LE vs. the AD, it is a dead-tie. Both have strengths, both have not-so-strengths (it's hard to call them weaknesses as these are two serious headphones)

 

I took the time this morning to watch/listen to some good television, in this case 'Breaking Bad' in HDX off of Vudu.  The AD's have some serious soundstage, and yes, they are far more like an open than a closed headphone in this regard.  The imaging of voices is more distinct with the AD over the 5LE, and the show puts as much effort into the sound as they did with the visuals. However, the 5LE has more bass power, due to the less-than-neutral response which is so engaging. With the AD's, background sounds such as birds, cars, and conversations off-camera all extend perceptually outside of the headphones.

 

What really struck me so far is the naturalness of human voices with the AD's.  Male voices are not congested, but very open.  Ditto with female voices, and with no detectable sibilance.

 

In any case, this decision will not be made this week.  I need more time

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It took me a while to understand what users mean by "speed."  For me it is the amount of detail in complex music like a large orchestra playing or a large choir singing. Can you pick out the different groups of singers clearly when everyone is singing? Can you clearly define the sections of the orchestra when everyone is playing? Electrostatic headphones are usually very good in this department. For me the LCD2 and the LCD3 and even the new LCDX that I heard at the RMAF can not match the detail that I was getting with the HE-6.

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After my first week with the 5LE vs. the AD, it is a dead-tie. 

 

Is the isolation with the closed design a major factor in keeping these two headphones nearly even, or are you just basing your opinion on sound characteristics?

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Is the isolation with the closed design a major factor in keeping these two headphones nearly even, or are you just basing your opinion on sound characteristics?

Awesome question!

 

Isolation is indeed a big factor.  I intend to use these for studio work, since I have never heard a closed headphone I really liked.  I also want to use these for late-night TV.  So yeah, this is part of the decision process.

 

At the same time, sound quality is also an even bigger deal.  There is no point in me spending $600 just for isolation if they aren't up to par.  I know that there has been hype for these cans for about 2 months not, but I honestly had low expectations.  So far, they have really gone past what I had expected.  What these do with acoustic guitar is pretty amazing. I love being able to hear fretbuzz, finger plucking and pick-scraping.

 

 In fact, these are proving to be a better all-around headphone than either the 5LE or the 225i's.  And that is my hype for the night :tongue_smile:


Edited by swspiers - 10/18/13 at 2:33pm
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Finished writing my MrSpeakers Alpha Dogs review! I did comparisons with the HD600 and K701. Sorry for being overly critical about the ADs soundstage earlier on. I gave it a glowing review for its other superior sonic qualities.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/686489/mrspeakers-alpha-dog-review-and-comparison-with-hd600-and-k701#post_9900762

post #3165 of 9033

I must say that is not the review I was expecting. Thanks for the impressions.

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