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post #2806 of 9033
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Originally Posted by sonitus mirus View Post
 

I already know that I enjoy the Mad Dogs, and I was hoping the Alpha Dog would have a bit more bass.  The reviews are all over the place with regards to this issue.  I have not seen anything consistent stated about the bass quantity, just that it is linear, flat, neutral, etc.  I don't see how the Alpha Dog bass can extend much over the Mad Dog, as it seems that the Mad Dog is flat as a pancake down to frequencies only a Blue Whale can hear. 

 

Not to be rude, but I've already clarified this several times. I'll say it once more...the bass of the AD is APPRECIABLY better than that of the MD. It goes lower and with more weight and slam. If you like the bass on the MD, you'll love the bass on the AD. That is as clear as I can make it. 

post #2807 of 9033
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

Not to be rude, but I've already clarified this several times. I'll say it once more...the bass of the AD is APPRECIABLY better than that of the MD. It goes lower and with more weight and slam. If you like the bass on the MD, you'll love the bass on the AD. That is as clear as I can make it.

 

Damnit Matt, now you're confusing me... lol.

 

Some people are saying otherwise. Could it be because they haven't gotten a good seal like you did, at first?

post #2808 of 9033
Not trying to go against what you're saying, but I just can't believe it'd be better in the bass. The AD is apparently more neutral. I don't see how the AD can have moar bass, more mids, AND more treble. If clarity has gone up over the MD, that to me, suggest more mids and treble, and/or a thinning of the sound, for more definition, and speed. That would in effect, lower the presence of bass/weight of the bass.

Just going off how sound generally works. Yes, the bass may be the same in linearity, but due to the mids and treble both having more presence (being less muted tends to be it has jumped up in volume, even if slightly), the presence and weight of the bass won't sound as thick and strong.

I have heard from others that the bass has less body, not more. I'm inclined to believe that more than the AD actually having MORE bass. It doesn't make sense.

Of course, I haven't personally heard it, but past experiences have proven that it's not possible to add bass as well as clarity elsewhere at the same time, unless something else is taken away. So for the bass to be better on the AD, WHAT IS THE TRADE OFF? MIDS, TREBLE?
post #2809 of 9033

This is why I'm going to wait until you get your hands on the Alpha, MLE. You suggested the MDs to me and I have absolutely loved them ever since...

 

I don't want to trade off bass for clarity and space; that's what my K712 is for. I want to upgrade, I truly do, but want to maintain that "fun factor" that the MD produces should I do so.


Edited by Change is Good - 10/13/13 at 12:56pm
post #2810 of 9033

I'm not trying to theorize on something I've not heard, as I've not heard the AD, but people on head-fi people tend to over-exaggerate differences for the sake of comparison.  I'm not trying to fault Matt at all.  If he says the AD has deeper extending and harder hitting bass in comparison to the MD, it's probably true, but at the same time both he, I and others have stated that if you're looking for D5000 bass, then you're most likely looking at the wrong headphone.  So going along with what Matt said, if you liked the MD bass then you'll like the AD bass.  If you want D5000 bass then you want something else.

post #2811 of 9033
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I'm not trying to theorize on something I've not heard, as I've not heard the AD, but people on head-fi people tend to over-exaggerate differences for the sake of comparison.  I'm not trying to fault Matt at all.  If he says the AD has deeper extending and harder hitting bass in comparison to the MD, it's probably true, but at the same time both he, I and others have stated that if you're looking for D5000 bass, then you're most likely looking at the wrong headphone.  So going along with what Matt said, if you liked the MD bass then you'll like the AD bass.  If you want D5000 bass then you want something else.

 

Some of us are not looking for Dx000 bass... we just want MD bass! :wink:

post #2812 of 9033

Oh, sorry.  I confused you for that other dude.

post #2813 of 9033
Yeah, I personally expect at the MOST, MD type bass, with maybe less thickness, but similar impact. Realistically speaking, I expect less presence in the bass for even more balance over the MD which had a definitive warm tilt (bass and mids). I expect the AD to reduce the warm tilt for a more balanced approach. Logically speaking, that would imply making the treble meet up with the bass and mids, meaning less actual perceived 'fun' on the lower end.

Again, this is just what I find to be logical assumptions based on how sound works. Matt's impressions go against everything I've learned in headphone's sounds, so I'm a bit conflicted. I WANT TO BELIEVE HIM, but it's hard to believe.
post #2814 of 9033

While the Mad Dog and D5K certainly have different bass characteristics, I still enjoy them both.  Honest. I like the MD bass, so I'm sure I will like the AD bass as well.  It seems that some people hear more bass slam, while others do not.  

post #2815 of 9033
Matt is the only one from memory that I've seen say the AD has more than the MD. Though comparisons are thin as is.
post #2816 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I WANT TO BELIEVE HIM, but it's hard to believe.

 

We will find out soon enough. Once you get your hands on the AD and post your review that is when I'll make my decision...

post #2817 of 9033

I'm going to have to disagree with Matt that the bass on the AD is better than the MD in every way. For me, it has somewhat of a different presentation. The MD bass can be attributed to LCD-2 bass - warm, thick, and full sounding. Typically I associate that type of bass with some mid-bass emphasis (i.e not balanced or linear). The AD on the other hand has bass similar to the HD800, IMO. It is articulate, accurate, fast and with good weight. It doesn't exaggerate any portion. With that being said, you can get excellent results when listening to bassier music such as EDM, Trip-Hop, Dubstep, etc. I won't go as far to say that the bass is colder in comparison, just less warm than the MD. I can't stress enough that the whole tonality of this headphone is tuned towards neutral. Overall, I would consider it neutral. The bass doesn't deviate from that definition unless you mess with the port. For a person that finds the MD bass satisfying because of its ability to make music sound more engaging (toe-tapping), the AD might disappoint. For the person that finds the MD bass good because it has good impact and good extension - the AD will definitely impress with its improvement in that area. 


Edited by Greed - 10/13/13 at 1:11pm
post #2818 of 9033
I'm conflicted because I like the MD 3.2's bass because it is like the LCD2's bass that makes music sound more engaging.

But I also like it because it has good impact and extension.

So looks like I'll be both pleased and let down, based on what you've said. Lol.
post #2819 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'm conflicted because I like the MD 3.2's bass because it is like the LCD2's bass that makes music sound more engaging.

But I also like it because it has good impact and extension.

So looks like I'll be both pleased and let down, based on what you've said. Lol.

 

The AD won't have as engaging bass as the MD or LCD-2, IMO. You will get deeper and more impactful bass. 

post #2820 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

I'm going to have to disagree with Matt that the bass on the AD is better than the MD in every way. For me, it has somewhat of a different presentation. The MD bass can be attributed to LCD-2 bass - warm, thick, and full sounding. Typically I associate that type of bass with some mid-bass emphasis (i.e not balanced or linear). The AD on the other hand has bass similar to the HD800, IMO. It is articulate, accurate, fast and with good weight. It doesn't exaggerate any portion. With that being said, you can get excellent results when listening to bassier music such as EDM, Trip-Hop, Dubstep, etc. I won't go as far to say that the bass is colder in comparison, just less warm than the MD. I can't stress enough that the whole tonality of this headphone is tuned towards neutral. Overall, I would consider it neutral. The bass doesn't deviate from that definition unless you mess with the port. For a person that finds the MD bass satisfying because of its ability to make music sound more engaging, the AD might disappoint. For the person that finds the MD bass good because it has good impact and good extension - the AD will definitely impress with its improvement in that area.

 

Thanks again for another brief description of the AD's bass. You, also, have contributed to my purchases in the past... particularly when I bought the Westone 4R looking for an IEM with a similar tone to that of the MD.

 

You were fairly accurate in that suggestion so I am appreciative in how you are helping me, yet again.

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