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Aug 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM Post #256 of 9,071
oregonian said:
Greed, since you heard the AD and you have the TH900 what can you say about the bass response? Is it flat and neutral/reference as they are saying or is there some thump to it? The Mad Dog to me did not have enough bass for my liking so I'm curious what someone who knows what bass can feel like says.
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Personally I feel the AD won't satisfy a true basshead. The bass is there, but it is accurate. It isn't emphasized or exaggerated. If the track calls for deep bass the AD will deliver, but still with an accurate punch and extension. The response is linear (flat) and neutral, nothing really stands out. In comparison, the bass of the AD can come off as too polite and bass shy, especially for those that tend to like a bit more emphasis. The TH-900 has significantly more bass. It will satisfy even the most advanced basshead. Both have good control and weight. Ultimately, I think it will come down to indidual taste, but IMO... bassheads will be left wanting.

P.S - The MD has more bass quantity than the AD. The AD has slight better quality. Also, when I had the chance to hear the AD the feature of the set screw was not implemented yet, so that may change my opinion.
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM Post #257 of 9,071
Do you think with the use of the bass screw you could get the AD to MD bass quantity levels?
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM Post #258 of 9,071
All of this speculation and hype around a mostly-unheard product has really peaked my interest.  Ordinarily, I wouldn't pay attention.  But this thread reads like a 'who's who' of the entire headphone community.  There are some extremely experienced, knowledgeable and respected members going nuts about these cans on this thread, starting with Jude.
 
I think the time is ripe for a moderate voice.  Someone who could care less about color, who does not own a mega-buck amp to step up.  Someone with virtually no credibility on Head-fi needs to step in and order the Alpha's, and run them with a pedestrian Marantz SR-7003 off of speaker taps in balanced mode.
 
What the heck, I've ordered them.  There's only a few more chances in this 50-year-olds' life to be a part of history, so I might as well take the chance now.
 
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Aug 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM Post #259 of 9,071
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Do you think with the use of the bass screw you could get the AD to MD bass quantity levels?
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I can't say for sure since I didn't have a chance to test it, but I see no reason why it can't. Maybe someone from the CA meet can comment on the affects of the set screw. I'm not sure if the three demos Dan brought had them.
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 3:38 PM Post #260 of 9,071
ssrock64 said:
I think I speak for the majority when I say I'm perfectly fine with the color. In fact, I think it goes very well with the copper finish of the headband supports. On the Mad Dog thread we've already been there with discussing who will change that copper finish for what price, and Dan has made clear that his focus is on keeping the price low on high-end products, not catering to everyone's colorizing needs.

Somewhere down the road we may see some different color options (like when the all-black option was added to the Mad Dog), but we just need to stop hounding Dan and let him make that decision for himself.
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So if I want an unpainted white one, can I get it for a cheaper price since labour/materials for paint won't be necessary? :D
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 3:39 PM Post #261 of 9,071
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greed said:
The TH-900 has significantly more bass. It will satisfy even the most advanced basshead. Both have good control and weight. Ultimately, I think it will come down to indidual taste, but IMO... bassheads will be left wanting.

P.S - The MD has more bass quantity than the AD. The AD has slight better quality. Also, when I had the chance to hear the AD the feature of the set screw was not implemented yet, so that may change my opinion.
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I do not consider the TH900 as a "basshead" can
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, well not D5K/D7K bass level anyway. That is my personal reference for having bass and having bass, increase from that point onwards. But yeah probably worth reserving judgement until you try the final product. Interestingly the site has a disclaimer if you mess up the signature via the tuning screw then it is your own fault
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*purely as a side-note but I really think the push for linearity from some manufacturers has altered the average and perception such that even threatening modest bass has people running for the hills and saying only a basshead. The reality is like most things on this planet, it is not black and white but a large expanse of grey.
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 3:57 PM Post #262 of 9,071
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I do not consider the TH900 as a "basshead" can
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, well not D5K/D7K bass level anyway. That is my personal reference for having bass and having bass, increase from that point onwards. But yeah probably worth reserving judgement until you try the final product. Interestingly the site has a disclaimer if you mess up the signature via the tuning screw then it is your own fault
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*purely as a side-note but I really think the push for linearity from some manufacturers has altered the average and perception such that even threatening modest bass has people running for the hills and saying only a basshead. The reality is like most things on this planet, it is not black and white but a large expanse of grey.
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I agree with the bolded text. Actually, I never called the TH-900 a basshead can per se, just that it will satisfy bassheads. I don't consider myself a basshead, not even close to being one, but I do enjoy the TH-900 as a whole quite a bit. The bass is the best I've heard in regards to "fun" sounding headphones and my opinion continues to stay true as I hear more and more headphones. It may not be the most accurate or controlled, but it is presented in such a way that is very musical, IMO. So much so, that it is my go to can for many genres because of how it presents music. I find myself toe-tapping much more often than any other headphone I've heard/own/owned. 
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM Post #263 of 9,071
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Personally I feel the AD won't satisfy a true basshead. The bass is there, but it is accurate. It isn't emphasized or exaggerated. If the track calls for deep bass the AD will deliver, but still with an accurate punch and extension. The response is linear (flat) and neutral, nothing really stands out. In comparison, the bass of the AD can come off as too polite and bass shy, especially for those that tend to like a bit more emphasis. The TH-900 has significantly more bass. It will satisfy even the most advanced basshead. Both have good control and weight. Ultimately, I think it will come down to indidual taste, but IMO... bassheads will be left wanting.

P.S - The MD has more bass quantity than the AD. The AD has slight better quality. Also, when I had the chance to hear the AD the feature of the set screw was not implemented yet, so that may change my opinion.
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This is accurate and basically spot on IMO. The only variable is the set screw. Depending on what the adjustment brings to the table could make a significant difference and really widen the audience for those who want a bit of color on the bottom end. 
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM Post #265 of 9,071
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swspiers said:
All of this speculation and hype around a mostly-unheard product has really peaked my interest.  Ordinarily, I wouldn't pay attention.  But this thread reads like a 'who's who' of the entire headphone community.  There are some extremely experienced, knowledgeable and respected members going nuts about these cans on this thread, starting with Jude.
 
I think the time is ripe for a moderate voice.  Someone who could care less about color, who does not own a mega-buck amp to step up.  Someone with virtually no credibility on Head-fi needs to step in and order the Alpha's, and run them with a pedestrian Marantz SR-7003 off of speaker taps in balanced mode.
 
What the heck, I've ordered them.  There's only a few more chances in this 50-year-olds' life to be a part of history, so I might as well take the chance now.
 
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I will vouch that I'm the guy with no credibility who will run the AD off a vintage amp with speaker taps!! 
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM Post #268 of 9,071
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This is accurate and basically spot on IMO. The only variable is the set screw. Depending on what the adjustment brings to the table could make a significant difference and really widen the audience for those who want a bit of color on the bottom end. 
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The question will be does it hit like a TH600/TH900/D7000.  I don't think anyone knows that answer yet.  Since the MD didn't and it's the same driver, I would tend to doubt it could just with a cup change.  If it doesn't do that, it won't meet my needs.  Time will tell. 
 
Aug 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM Post #269 of 9,071
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miceblue said:
I say "meh" to the bassheads and move on towards reaching out to an audience who appreciates a more true-to-the-sound kind of sound. I'm not a basshead, never was, and I don't understand why manufacturers feel the need to cater to them.
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That's awfully close minded. As I said I'm not a basshead either, but the whole idea of this industry is that everyone has particular tastes. Nothing caters to everyone, but there is room for all sound preferences. Bassheads get a bad rap, but they are entitled to their own standard. This just isn't the headphone to satisfy them is all. 
 
P.S - Since when has the M-100 been considered a non-basshead headphone? 
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