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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's not improbable to see people preferring the older MD if midrange is top priority. The 3.2 made the MD a bit more accessible sound-wise to the masses, withmore bass and more ssparkle, but reduced the mids a teeny bit. Definitely not something midrange 1st lovers would all like. Me I like a balanced sound with some romanticized bass. Had Dan made yet another MD with focus in bass and mids with some treble roll off, I probably would've loved it a little more than the 3.2. But overall, tbe 3.2 hit a sweetbspot for me, as a little trade off in mids for sparkle and bass is fine, as long as mids aren't sucked out.

 

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Edited by grizzlybeast - 9/18/13 at 8:57pm
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Does all these modifications to the Alpha Dog makes it more or less heavy than the MadDogs ?

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I'm a mids guy and loving the 3.2 too. Loved the RE262, SE535, GR10, Momentum, HD600, ESW9A... Everything I really like has great mids. I think the 3.2 does too. 

 

I do worry a little bit about comfort. My head feels chafed. As someone who has lost a bit of hair already...I hope this doesn't advance that process! But my hair is short so maybe that is accentuating it. I feel like I have sunburn where the comfort strap is. As someone who's ordered the Alpha Dog, I hope my scalp adjusts quickly. I had a love/hate day with the Mad Dog today. Love the sound, and love the comfort of the ear pads, but my dome is rocked. And not in the good way. 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's not improbable to see people preferring the older MD if midrange is top priority. The 3.2 made the MD a bit more accessible sound-wise to the masses, withmore bass and more ssparkle, but reduced the mids a teeny bit. Definitely not something midrange 1st lovers would all like. Me I like a balanced sound with some romanticized bass. Had Dan made yet another MD with focus in bass and mids with some treble roll off, I probably would've loved it a little more than the 3.2. But overall, tbe 3.2 hit a sweetbspot for me, as a little trade off in mids for sparkle and bass is fine, as long as mids aren't sucked out.

I think you must never play acoustic music or anything that has a definable "correct" sound.  Modern music - such as Dubstep - has no reference point - you play it back "however you like".

A Stradivarius violin should sound like the violin sounds if there is no more electricity.

The 3.0 is unbalanced, and it creates weird timbres that are unnatural.

The 3.2 balances out the frequencies in a way that creates natural timbres, and the instruments sound more like they do in real life.

( But I can see how the 3.0 could be fun to listen to, for those who do not mind the lower bass and treble. )


Edited by kstuart - 9/18/13 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

I think you must never play acoustic music or anything that has a definable "correct" sound.  Modern music - such as Dubstep - has no reference point - you play it back "however you like".

A Stradivarius violin should sound like the violin sounds if there is no more electricity.

The 3.0 is unbalanced, and it creates weird timbres that are unnatural.

The 3.2 balances out the frequencies in a way that creates natural timbres, and the instruments sound more like they do in real life.

 

wow what an abrupt, opinionated, and unfair comment. He is saying midrange 1st lovers. I think he means someone who cares really strongly for and almost solely about the midrange. I have fit that category several times in my headphone journey. 

 
If the general consensus is that the midrange is a little less and the bass a little more on the 3.2 version than what he said is correct. The masses prefer this sound signature because it is more mainstream. Acoustic music sound (for most people) more pleasing on midcentric headphones in general... though there may be exceptions. This is often why people make the hd650, he500, sennheiser momentums as recommendable headphones for acoustic music. 

Edited by grizzlybeast - 9/18/13 at 11:42pm
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I play all types of music, actually.

When I say more accessible to the masses, I meant people who aren't as overly critical of tonal balance and the like. The 3.2 to me sounds like a better all-rounder, while the previous models sounded a bit more tuned for mids first.

I don't think the 3.2 lost mids or sucked it out or anything. It just didn't highlight them in the same way, and made them more integrated with the overall sound. So if you're coming from a previous model and were amazed by the mids, you may notice a slight loss of mid emphasis. I think it was a necessary 'evil', as it made the MD a better headphone overall.

Sorry for typos on the last post. Phone texting... not an easy thing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/18/13 at 11:39pm
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Another quick question, and I hate to bring up another amplification question, but are the AD's amplification requirements similar to the MD? I just want to know as I know what drives my MDs properly for my tastes. I know the driver should require the same driving requirements however I am unsure if the cup changes other variables like dampening for instance. Sorry if the amplification MD vs AD was brought up before (I see a lot of questions being regurgitated in this thread especially amplification), I tried searching some keywords through the thread and I could not find anything with a direct comparison.

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Originally Posted by gamefreak054 View Post
 

Another quick question, and I hate to bring up another amplification question, but are the AD's amplification requirements similar to the MD? I just want to know as I know what drives my MDs properly for my tastes. I know the driver should require the same driving requirements however I am unsure if the cup changes other variables like dampening for instance. Sorry if the amplification MD vs AD was brought up before (I see a lot of questions being regurgitated in this thread especially amplification), I tried searching some keywords through the thread and I could not find anything with a direct comparison.

 

I've read that the ADs are a tad more efficient. Not sure is they're that more easy to drive but the gear that drives your MDs should probably work for the ADs as well. Whether it's gonna have the same synergy is another kettle of plugs.

 

​EDIT: of course I meant efficient, not effective. Thanks, MattTCG.


Edited by hoichi - 9/19/13 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by Greeni View Post
 

Does all these modifications to the Alpha Dog makes it more or less heavy than the MadDogs ?

 

There was no appreciable difference in weight on the prototype.

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

I'm a mids guy and loving the 3.2 too. Loved the RE262, SE535, GR10, Momentum, HD600, ESW9A... Everything I really like has great mids. I think the 3.2 does too. 

 

I do worry a little bit about comfort. My head feels chafed. As someone who has lost a bit of hair already...I hope this doesn't advance that process! But my hair is short so maybe that is accentuating it. I feel like I have sunburn where the comfort strap is. As someone who's ordered the Alpha Dog, I hope my scalp adjusts quickly. I had a love/hate day with the Mad Dog today. Love the sound, and love the comfort of the ear pads, but my dome is rocked. And not in the good way. 

 

It will be very easy to sew a piece of velour or felt or other similar comfortable material over the leather strap. I think that the leather must be iratating your scalp which is understandable. 

 

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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post
 

 

I've read that the ADs are somewhat more effective. Not sure is they're that more easy to drive but the gear that drives your MDs should probably work for the ADs as well. Whether it's gonna have the same synergy is another kettle of plugs.

 

I think that you mean efficient. When I tested them, the AD seems to have about the same amping and gear requirements as the MD. What worked before will work with the new AD.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I think that you mean efficient. When I tested them, the AD seems to have about the same amping and gear requirements as the MD. What worked before will work with the new AD.

Sorry, a bit of Russian English. Efficient is exactly what I meant.

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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post
 

 

I've read that the ADs are a tad more efficient. Not sure is they're that more easy to drive but the gear that drives your MDs should probably work for the ADs as well. Whether it's gonna have the same synergy is another kettle of plugs.

 

​EDIT: of course I meant efficient, not effective. Thanks, MattTCG.

Why would it be more efficient?  it's the exact same drivers.  It's still closed like before.  It's possible that because of the new cups, you might gain/loose a few db here and there in the FR from its new more balanced overall sound.   Technically and physically, the drivers are identical to the MD unless Dan modded the drivers too in which case I am not aware of.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Why would it be more efficient?  it's the exact same drivers.  It's still closed like before.  It's possible that because of the new cups, you might gain/loose a few db here and there in the FR from its new more balanced overall sound.   Technically and physically, the drivers are identical to the MD unless Dan modded the drivers too in which case I am not aware of.

 

I'm guessing it has something to do with the tuning. When I demoed the AD, Dan specifically said they are a tad more efficient. 

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Yes, they have generally been a little more efficient, but on a practical basis the amp requirements are very similar.  

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Dan, how about another teaser or pic or something to keep us going? 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Dan, how about another teaser or pic or something to keep us going? 

You mean like ?:

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